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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:33 am
<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=32662" target="_blank">Parched U.S. states could start 'water wars'</a> (click to view)
<strong>Category:</strong> <a href="/news/topic/12-uncle-sam" target="_blank">Uncle Sam</a>
<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Hyack" target="_blank">Hyack</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2008-04-23 19:27:16
<strong>Canadian</strong>
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:33 am
Scary stuff. This water and food shortage stuff is aproaching more and more rapidly by the day.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:31 am
Mice could learn to crap on Mars too. Another scare tactic. When will idiots stop yelling that the sky is falling. Sure lets be good stewards of our resources, but quit being scared of every bad possibility. I mean just because you can have a vehicle accident, that doesn't keep you from driving to work... does it? Oh well I can't cure the chicken little syndrome so everybody ignore what I just said and keep worrying about everything that might happen.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:57 am
Water wars in the USA have been going on for the last century - this is not news.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:02 am
Maybe the U.S. should've introduced tougher water conservation laws in the past, not let everyone waste water away for the sake of "the greenest lawn in Phoenix". Which reminds me, maybe the U.S. shouldn't have built cities in the desert... 
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:08 am
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:24 am
No question water is or soon will be the new oil, however, unlike what the fear mongers would have you believe, there is technology to both increase the amount of fresh water available and reduce the amount used. Israel is a world leader in developing food crops that require far less water to grow, we can build desalinization plants, use low flow toilets, shower heads etc etc etc. The US has enacted some really tough laws in desert cities such as Vegas including rebates of $1.50 per square foot of grass removed and replaced with water smart landscaping with no cap on maximum square footage. The Tar Sands is a large water user, but I understand water use will be reduced as newer extraction technologies available now come on line.
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sasquatch2
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:55 pm
$1: Southwestern U.S. states are already concerned about dwindling water resources, and the impacts of climate change are exacerbating their problems, said Environment Canada's Linda Mortsch, who worked on the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports.
Is she one of the psychologists/sociologists on the IPCC?
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Wada
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:15 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2: $1: Southwestern U.S. states are already concerned about dwindling water resources, and the impacts of climate change are exacerbating their problems, said Environment Canada's Linda Mortsch, who worked on the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports. Is she one of the psychologists/sociologists on the IPCC?
Do we concern ourselves with your qualifications? 
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:57 pm
Loader Loader: No question water is or soon will be the new oil, however, unlike what the fear mongers would have you believe, there is technology to both increase the amount of fresh water available and reduce the amount used. Israel is a world leader in developing food crops that require far less water to grow, we can build desalinization plants, use low flow toilets, shower heads etc etc etc. The US has enacted some really tough laws in desert cities such as Vegas including rebates of $1.50 per square foot of grass removed and replaced with water smart landscaping with no cap on maximum square footage. The Tar Sands is a large water user, but I understand water use will be reduced as newer extraction technologies available now come on line.
The big problem with desalinzation plants is that they are energy intensive, so many countries use large quantities of oil/gas/coal to pwoer them. That's fine for wealthy countries in the West or those sitting on a few billion barrels of oil like those in the Middle East, but what do poor 3rd world nations do?
I also have to agree with AM, building cities in deserts (Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, etc) is rather foolish. The laws there really restrict the average homeowner, but golf courses (and other entertainment facilities) use shitloads of water with the full consent of city councils, simply due to the tourist market. Las Vegas is a particularly bad example of that.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:33 pm
True, water wars have been ongoing in the west, however Georgia is our newest problem, especially the Atlanta metro area. For years Atlanta has had unbridled growth with little regulation on water use or water-saving incentives. Now that we have a long-term drought, and their one-and-only source of water is drying up, they are crying and trying to bully their way into other river basins to quinch their thirst. Still no legislation on conserving or refitting water-guzzling faucets/toilets, etc.
They are even arguing about where the actual state boundry between Georgia and Tennessee is located. Apparently there is a descrepincy dating back to the 1800's and only now is Georgia pushing the issue. The state line might be about 6 miles N of its current location on the western end of the state, which would mean that the Tennessee river would be inside Georgia and that GA could tap into it.
Wonderful mentality in Georgia. Kinda reminds me of the rest of the nation. "Don't tell me to change, just give me more or I'll take it from you!"
And the band plays on...
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:53 pm
CanAm1 CanAm1: Mice could learn to crap on Mars too. Another scare tactic. When will idiots stop yelling that the sky is falling. Sure lets be good stewards of our resources, but quit being scared of every bad possibility. I mean just because you can have a vehicle accident, that doesn't keep you from driving to work... does it? Oh well I can't cure the chicken little syndrome so everybody ignore what I just said and keep worrying about everything that might happen.
Either if it's true or false, it's more of a preperation. I mean if you were going to have thirsty Americans coming breaking into your house just to use your water, or coming over to break into our stores and stock up all the water bottles they can grab. That is you know, something people might want to know about before it happens. That way nobody is saying "Yeah, I was going to warn you earlier but I wasn't exactly sure it was going to happen. Only way to know, was to sit back and see if it does. Anyways, I know it already happened but consider this your late warning".
Better to look like a idiot who was wrong, then look like a coward who diddn't do anything at all.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:21 pm
CanAm1 CanAm1:
Regina and Med Hat don't even come close to places like Palm Springs Ca. I go to Palm Springs on a regular basis and the way in which they use water down there almost makes me sick to my stomach. Sprinklers run all day long everyday through out the entire year. Water runs freely down the street into drains and I'm not talking just a little bit but massive amounts. I've never seen anything like it. I would bet you 20 bucks right here and now that Palm Springs uses more water in one year then both Regina and Med hat combined.
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dog77_1999
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:30 pm
Don't worry guys, everyone is leaving the Midwest because the Unions are strangling the economy. Canada might as well be the exclusive user after a while.
Anyways, they really need to implement water saving measures. I imagine using grey water and maybe making sure water doesn't run off into the Mississippi River. Perhaps find a way to store it back into the Ogalla aquifer.
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