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<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=30520" target="_blank">U.S., Canada should jointly manage Arctic waters, says high-profile group</a> (click to view)

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<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Hyack" target="_blank">Hyack</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2008-02-20 20:22:53
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[sandorski]

BS

[Joe_Stalin]

It's cooperation or the short end of the stick.
Canada's self interest should not squandered pandering to farleftoids and other misguided burghers.

[Winnipegger]

Any "joint" US/Canadian operation or "merger" of American and Canadian firms results in the US dictating and treating Canada as their servant/subordinate/employee.

Besides, the Northwest Passage has been Canadian sovereign territory since 1895. This isn't international waters and it isn't shared, it's ours. Period.

Our territory was extended in 1927 to a straight line from the Alaska/Yukon border to the north pole. That is the border today. Yes, there is more continental shelf on the Canadian side than the US side, and off-shore oil deposits tend to be in continental shelf. Too bad, it's ours. In any case the NAFTA states 90% of all oil from our northern territories must be exported to the US, and most oil companies operating in Canada are subsidiaries of American firms anyway. So they get the oil anyway.

[Joe_Stalin]

Get real. You can claim all you want but what are you going to do when a Chinese or French freighter uses the "International" sea way?
Request a UN resolution? They are a dime a dozen and not worth a pinch of raccoons poop.
Sink the freighter with our birch canoes?

[Bacardi4206]

Joe_Stalin Joe_Stalin:

Get real. You can claim all you want but what are you going to do when a Chinese or French freighter uses the "International" sea way?
Request a UN resolution? They are a dime a dozen and not worth a pinch of raccoons poop.
Sink the freighter with our birch canoes?

Thank you very much but Canada is very capable of defending its own borders. We are developing technology that will help us track anybody that enters our part of the artic, including top notch spy satalites.

We have submarines, and ships, and I believe (From news articles) that we are buying new ones more specefic JUST for the job of protecting the artic.

Canada isn't completly defenseless as the world may believe, After WW2 was ended. Canada had one of the biggest armys in the world. Which down graded in time after non-wars. Canada has a good economy, so we can afford to buy any tech that will help us protect our borders.

If a Chinese or French freighter came by, we may not be as prepared as the US would be for a situation like that, but the US has spent a very long building up its army, and navy. Canada hasn't. In the little time as we get prepared for the job. Like finishing buying off the new boats, training the men to man the boats. Getting the spy tech in place, and training the men to man them.

We are capable of dealing with it, Why must people always underestimate Canada? When we show signs of slipping in the department of protecting our artic borders, then you may say we are not ready for the job but unti'll that happens. Let's not judge a book by its cover ok?

[Jimir]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

We have submarines, and ships, and I believe (From news articles) that we are buying new ones more specefic JUST for the job of protecting the artic.

Actually, regarding the new ships for the arctic (reinforced, ice breaking frigates), I recall reading somewhere that the design the goverment settled on wasn't actually that useful, as the decided to go with cheaper ships that would only be able to go into seas with a light layer of ice. This limits them to the more southern part of the arctic for most of the winter, and not allow the freedom to move into the more northern waters as the military wanted. I'll see if I can find the source again...

[sasquatch2]

Joe_Stalin

$1:

It's cooperation or the short end of the stick.
Canada's self interest should not squandered pandering to farleftoids and other misguided burghers.

Indeed! This is a pragmatic solution to problems which may never arise.
I cannot see any navigation of the NW passage in the foreseeable future...other than aircraft.
It's like the leftoids are lobbying for duty free export of Churchill Man bananas.

[Bacardi4206]

Jimir Jimir:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

We have submarines, and ships, and I believe (From news articles) that we are buying new ones more specefic JUST for the job of protecting the artic.

Actually, regarding the new ships for the arctic (reinforced, ice breaking frigates), I recall reading somewhere that the design the goverment settled on wasn't actually that useful, as the decided to go with cheaper ships that would only be able to go into seas with a light layer of ice. This limits them to the more southern part of the arctic for most of the winter, and not allow the freedom to move into the more northern waters as the military wanted. I'll see if I can find the source again...

Hmm, that sucks then. Hopefully they will be buying some better ones later just incase.

[sasquatch2]

The only prospect of patrolling the heavy northern ice are nuclear powered submarines...which is the US Navy's specialty. Any notion of Canada having such vessels is as ridiculous/silly as Canada operating a Space shuttle programme.

[Bacardi4206]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

The only prospect of patrolling the heavy northern ice are nuclear powered submarines...which is the US Navy's specialty. Any notion of Canada having such vessels is as ridiculous/silly as Canada operating a Space shuttle programme.

I guess the Canadian Space Agency doesn't ring any bells to you?
Canada was the third country to launch a man-made satellite into space.

Also Canada was the first country in the world to have its own domestic geostationary communication satellite network.

"The CSA has several formal and informal partnerships and collaborative programs or agreements with space agencies in other countries, such as NASA, ESA and JAXA, and perhaps soon the CNSA."

There's also the Canadian Astronaut Program, Canada has contributed technology, expertise and personnel to the world space effort, especially in collaboration with NASA and the ESA.

Not to mention the Canadarm.

[sandorski]

Joe_Stalin Joe_Stalin:

It's cooperation or the short end of the stick.
Canada's self interest should not squandered pandering to farleftoids and other misguided burghers.

WTF? The US will ask permission, we'll probably grant it, but they'll ask first.

[sasquatch2]

If wishes were horses then beggars could ride.........

Having satellites launched by third parties does not constitute a launching capability....

This sort of thing was settled in 1957, with the cancellation of the Arrow.....

[Bacardi4206]

sandorski sandorski:

Joe_Stalin Joe_Stalin:

It's cooperation or the short end of the stick.
Canada's self interest should not squandered pandering to farleftoids and other misguided burghers.

WTF? The US will ask permission, we'll probably grant it, but they'll ask first.

Exactly, just like we do in Niagra Falls. We have our side of it, America has there. We learn to keep out boundries and whenever America wants to have boats in out terf to catch somebody, or for whatever reason. They ALWAYS ask for permission.

If we can do it there, I see no reason why it cannot be done there. Just a tad bit bigger however lol.

[Joe_Stalin]

sandorski sandorski:

Joe_Stalin Joe_Stalin:

It's cooperation or the short end of the stick.
Canada's self interest should not squandered pandering to farleftoids and other misguided burghers.

WTF? The US will ask permission, we'll probably grant it, but they'll ask first.

No they wont. In fact nobody will. Some may advise that they are going through what they consider international waters but thats it.
What you going to do?
And with what?