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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:44 am
<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=28153" target="_blank">Tories bypass nuclear safety watchdog with bill</a> (click to view)
<strong>Category:</strong> <a href="/news/topic/1-political" target="_blank">Political</a>
<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Canadaka" target="_blank">Canadaka</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2007-12-11 17:45:24
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:44 am
I don't have a problem with this, since Canada produces 2/3 of the WORLD's isotope supply I think this move is prudent and responsible as a temporary measure.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:49 am
The govt is really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. Both decisions they could have taken could have been defended. Either way is fine by me.
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ryan29
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:50 am
the problem here is with reactor shut down were running low on isotope that it produced .
so if they don't do something supply will run low and cause medical delays .
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:56 am
Yeah, exactly. Following security recommendations could prevent a potential disaster (not that it's likely for the reactor to explode in the next weeks, mind you... and I guess the repairs can just be made gradually or something), but not following them prevents a shortage of medical supplies. All and all it's a tough decision to take.
I'm left wondering one thing though. Why were the repairs taking so long? I heard the reactor was first meant to be reopened on December 2nd.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:05 am
This isn't your home furnace in for an overhaul. There are lots of protocols and procedures to follow.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:06 am
Being hasty with decisions regarding nuclear energy and reactions is just dangerous. There is a long list of incidents, even in the west, where people thought they were being safe, thought that all the right controls were in place but accidents still happened.
Daghlian, Slotin, Wood River, Windscale, Three-Mile Island.
Nuclear power simply demands the utmost respect and care. Otherwise, you're tickling a sleeping dragon's tail.
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ridenrain
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:26 am
Wouldn't you take steps to protect and sustain 2/3'rds of the worlds medical isotopes?
Would the same Liberal senators who initially refused to restart this reactor out of purely political spite, also refuse the medical diagnosis and treatment of those patients?
Do please rally behind this and try to smear the CPC on this one because it's a lost cause.
It was the Libs who let this reactor get to such a state without finding a replacement supply.
It's now the Libs who are hindering the plan to get that supply back up and running.
... and now it's Harper who is cutting through the BS politics to get the medical community and the patients the supplies they need.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:16 am
ridenrain ridenrain: Wouldn't you take steps to protect and sustain 2/3'rds of the worlds medical isotopes? Would the same Liberal senators who initially refused to restart this reactor out of purely political spite, also refuse the medical diagnosis and treatment of those patients?
Do please rally behind this and try to smear the CPC on this one because it's a lost cause. It was the Libs who let this reactor get to such a state without finding a replacement supply. It's now the Libs who are hindering the plan to get that supply back up and running. ... and now it's Harper who is cutting through the BS politics to get the medical community and the patients the supplies they need.
Undoubtedly the reactor should be restarted with all appropriate promptness, but circumventing oversight just seems reckless to me.
I think it's likely that the reactor will restart safely, and Harper will shrewdly take all the credit, but if there's an accident, even a non-fatal one, even one that releases nothing to the environment, the reactor will probably have to shut down completely. Now you've got NO production rather than just delayed production, and you're in a worse place than before.
Nuclear safetly is no light matter and emotion is the last thing the issue needs.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:23 am
Correction
It should read government not Tories. This is and eleventh (or more to the point after midnight) bill worked on by all Parties in both Upper and Lower Chambers.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:24 am
ridenrain ridenrain: Wouldn't you take steps to protect and sustain 2/3'rds of the worlds medical isotopes? Would the same Liberal senators who initially refused to restart this reactor out of purely political spite, also refuse the medical diagnosis and treatment of those patients?
Do please rally behind this and try to smear the CPC on this one because it's a lost cause. It was the Libs who let this reactor get to such a state without finding a replacement supply. It's now the Libs who are hindering the plan to get that supply back up and running. ... and now it's Harper who is cutting through the BS politics to get the medical community and the patients the supplies they need. spin dodge and deflect once again.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:31 am
I guess the PMO misplaced the Chalk River file so our strong leadership couldn't be proactive on this...
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ridenrain
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:38 pm
hurley_108 hurley_108: ridenrain ridenrain: Wouldn't you take steps to protect and sustain 2/3'rds of the worlds medical isotopes? Would the same Liberal senators who initially refused to restart this reactor out of purely political spite, also refuse the medical diagnosis and treatment of those patients?
Do please rally behind this and try to smear the CPC on this one because it's a lost cause. It was the Libs who let this reactor get to such a state without finding a replacement supply. It's now the Libs who are hindering the plan to get that supply back up and running. ... and now it's Harper who is cutting through the BS politics to get the medical community and the patients the supplies they need. Undoubtedly the reactor should be restarted with all appropriate promptness, but circumventing oversight just seems reckless to me. I think it's likely that the reactor will restart safely, and Harper will shrewdly take all the credit, but if there's an accident, even a non-fatal one, even one that releases nothing to the environment, the reactor will probably have to shut down completely. Now you've got NO production rather than just delayed production, and you're in a worse place than before. Nuclear safetly is no light matter and emotion is the last thing the issue needs.
You dodge my questions:
If it's so valuable, who let it get this bad without securing an alternative?
This is the same political-windsock thinking that the Libs are infamous for. "People are scared of nuclear reactors so we'll be popular if we shut it down. So what if it affects sick people, we can always fly south for our cancer treatment. "
This should never have been alowed to hapen in the first place!
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:52 pm
ridenrain ridenrain: You dodge my questions:
If it's so valuable, who let it get this bad without securing an alternative?
This is the same political-windsock thinking that the Libs are infamous for. "People are scared of nuclear reactors so we'll be popular if we shut it down. So what if it affects sick people, we can always fly south for our cancer treatment. "
This should never have been alowed to hapen in the first place!
Then why wasn't this made a priority when the Tories took power almost two years ago? Why did it come to this rushed, quick-fix workaround?
How long will it take until you conservatives realize that the Liberals aren't in power anymore, and it's your guys's job to get stuff done? You can't blame the Liberals forever, though no doubt you'll try.
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ryan29
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:23 pm
hurley_108 hurley_108: Being hasty with decisions regarding nuclear energy and reactions is just dangerous. There is a long list of incidents, even in the west, where people thought they were being safe, thought that all the right controls were in place but accidents still happened.
Daghlian, Slotin, Wood River, Windscale, Three-Mile Island.
Nuclear power simply demands the utmost respect and care. Otherwise, you're tickling a sleeping dragon's tail.
well agree nuclear power needs to be taken seriously and we have to be careful with it but this case is different in that the isotopes being produced here are in short supply and without them medical tests could not take place .
if we didn't do there tests wouldn't we be risking people health ? considerable more than the minor risk of reopening this reactor ( sure problem is minor and can be fixed , or they wouldn't of considered reopening reactor)
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