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<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=27223" target="_blank">Taser officers should be prosecuted</a> (click to view)

<strong>Category:</strong> <a href="/news/topic/18-law--order" target="_blank">Law & Order</a>
<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=tritium" target="_blank">tritium</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2007-11-17 13:11:56
<strong>Canadian</strong>

[sasquatch2]

Results of the autopsy would be helpful.....and the tox screen.

[xerxes]

The tox screen has already shown negative apparently.

[tritium]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Results of the autopsy would be helpful.....and the tox screen.

CNN : No traces of Drugs or Alcohol.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... ml?ref=rss

[DerbyX]

With regards to the actions of the officers would it make a difference either way?

It might explain the victims actions better if he were hopped up on meth but the RCMP had no way of knowing either way.

[Brenda]

Well, it would kinda set the German customs AND Canadian customs in a bad light if he were on drugs, wouldn't it? He just came off a flight (9 hours at least), was there for 10 hours in the waiting area... If drugs had still been in his system, all customs personel didn't do their job either...

[tritium]

Robert Dziekanski is the [url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/map-tasers-canada/]18th person to die in Canada from the direct result of being tasered in the last 4 years!
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[Heavy_Metal]

I freggen hate this whole debate, and i freggen hate that this incident has brought it up...again.

I will start off by saying, no matter how you slice it, a tazer is better than a bullet, period.

one thing that noone has mentioned, why hasn't anyone blamed the mother?!? she is the one who left her immigrant son at the freggen airport...ever heard of a PA system lady? sure he can't speak english, but i'm sure he can recognize his name! that's why he was all distraught in the first fucking place, because his freggen mother left him at the airport and went home!!!

police work is a constant doubble edged sword, with the public expecting police officers to be supermen, and condemn them as evil, sadistic, corrupt, killers the second shit happens.

I remember back a few months ago, people were all pissy at hospital security for deploying a tazer on some dick head trying to steal a baby, pretty much same fucking argument, eventhough upon closer examination, the secuity officers did their job very well.

lets look at the situation, granted all information is from that 10 min video, which is of course bullshit in it's own right, everyone in the world making their opinions from that one video, like it tells the WHOLE story or something!

so, one guy, pissed, irrational, and with no way of communicating his frusturations to others, and has chosen to attempt to communicate this through violent actions. Three RCMP officers, into a situation with an irate individual with no way of communicating with him.

options:

OC - messy shit, risk of contaminating a large area of enclosed space of airport.
-risk of spraying fellow officers in struggle, danger to officers/public (anyone with a breathing problem would be effected)
-if suspect we already wound up, and got sprayed, may send him into a panic to where he may blindly strike at the officers and/or cause an underlying medical condition to surface and he died because his body was in such a state of shock. (he obviously had some sort of medical condition, because it is rare for a person to die from being tazed).

Old fashion police pile on - again risky due to close proximity of irate individual, what if the individual had some sort of weapon on him (remember ANYTHING can be a weapon) and decided to use in when he was in close with the officers?
- armchair judges may think use of force excessive 3 v 1, and again, police are the bad guys.
- underlying medical condition surfaces when suspect is in duress and struggling, and bam heart attack/stroke/shock...dead.

Firearm - i know i don't have to explain the implications of using a firearm on an unarmed irate individual, so it is safe to say this option wasn't close to being on the minds of the responding officers.

truly the tazer was a very viable, 'as much force as necissary to affect the arrest' option.
- no proximity to the individual = officer safety
- no use of chemicals = officer/civilian safety
- tazer is safe as it has been deployed hundreds of thousands of times with an extremely low fatality rate.

this is just a shitty example of when it's your time to die....you die.
no fault of the officers, nothing more they could do, and now they have to live with the knowledge that their actions taken to SAVE A LIFE, ended up costing one. Not to mention the horrible scruteny they are going to have to live through for the next few months/years as the investigation is held.

chalk this one up to a real bad day at the office, good luck Officers, this is one Canadian who is on your side!!

[Heavy_Metal]

tritium tritium:

Robert Dziekanski is the [url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/map-tasers-canada/]18th person to die in Canada from the direct result of being tasered in the last 4 years!
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heh, read the text associated with the dots, most of the people who died were under the influence.

[Brenda]

$1:

one thing that noone has mentioned, why hasn't anyone blamed the mother?!? she is the one who left her immigrant son at the freggen airport...ever heard of a PA system lady? sure he can't speak english, but i'm sure he can recognize his name! that's why he was all distraught in the first fucking place, because his freggen mother left him at the airport and went home!!!

She did. She had him called over the PA system, but there were no speakers in the room where he was

She went home when he was already dead, but she didn't know that, because no one told her what was wrong. She was told he was not on that flight, while he already cleared customs.

Don't blame his mom. It was definitely not her fault.

[Heavy_Metal]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

one thing that noone has mentioned, why hasn't anyone blamed the mother?!? she is the one who left her immigrant son at the freggen airport...ever heard of a PA system lady? sure he can't speak english, but i'm sure he can recognize his name! that's why he was all distraught in the first fucking place, because his freggen mother left him at the airport and went home!!!

She did. She had him called over the PA system, but there were no speakers in the room where he was

She went home when he was already dead, but she didn't know that, because no one told her what was wrong. She was told he was not on that flight, while he already cleared customs.

Don't blame his mom. It was definitely not her fault.

ah, i was under the impression she stood around for a while, and bugged out....my bad

[ShepherdsDog]

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

one thing that noone has mentioned, why hasn't anyone blamed the mother?!? she is the one who left her immigrant son at the freggen airport...ever heard of a PA system lady? sure he can't speak english, but i'm sure he can recognize his name! that's why he was all distraught in the first fucking place, because his freggen mother left him at the airport and went home!!!

She did. She had him called over the PA system, but there were no speakers in the room where he was

She went home when he was already dead, but she didn't know that, because no one told her what was wrong. She was told he was not on that flight, while he already cleared customs.

Don't blame his mom. It was definitely not her fault.

ah, i was under the impression she stood around for a while, and bugged out....my bad

She pleaded with airport and customs officials to find/contact her son. They told her he hadn't arrived when records clearly show he had at the time of her requests. He was waiting for her in a part of the airport that the general public no longer has access to.

[martin14]

one thing that noone has mentioned, why hasn't anyone blamed the mother?!? she is the one who left her immigrant son at the freggen airport...ever heard of a PA system lady? sure he can't speak english, but i'm sure he can recognize his name! that's why he was all distraught in the first fucking place, because his freggen mother left him at the airport and went home!!!

sorry Heavy, that dog dont hunt.. i had a very similar experience with my mother visiting a couple of years ago.. same situation in Vienna,
getting lost with no help seems to be standard, i also pleaded with the airport and the airline for some information, and got less than no help. my mother got lucky by finally figuring out how to out of the airport.


i think most people are upset with the 10 hours of waiting and noone lifting a finger to help.. thats really criminal.

i dont have a problem with tazers per ce, but the situation here is very complicated, something the police didnt seem to care about.

it wouldnt take me 10 hours to get pissed off in this situation, and i dont think throwing a chair at a wall is justification for a tazer.

by the way, the video is now world-wide, on regular tv.. so everyone is watching it.

[tritium]

"With great power comes great responsibility." If you're giving someone the authority to use whatever degree of physical force they feel is necessary to arrest or subdue a person, including a license to kill, you better make damn sure they're qualified to do so with the best judgement one would expect under the circumstances.

The police failed to assess the situation properly before reacting to it. He was unarmed; displayed no intention of harming anyone (such as the woman who was trying to calm him in the beginning), nor could he have because the four policemen isolated him behind a glass partition; from the tape it's obvious he was in a state of extreme panic, and one of the airport security guards even mentions finding a Russian interpreter to help calm him down.

So the question is: How should the officers have reacted? They were obligated to at least detain the man because from what they knew about him ("non English-speaking man acting crazy") they needed to ensure he wasn't a danger to others or, ironically, himself. So the officers couldn't let him leave but were also handicapped by the language barrier. Had the police not already decided to use the taser before they even reached him, they may have chosen to physically restrain him (4 on 1) if he tried to leave. In fact, their eagerness to employ the taser and the manner in which they used it almost makes me wonder if they hadn't just come from taser training and were looking for an opportunity to practice.

[Brenda]

The officers (RCMP officers) shouldn't have been there in the first place, if the ground crews had done their jobs. They didn't.

Should've could've and would've are not bringing the man back to life. It is not just the RCMP. It is 10 hours of neglect and doing nothing that lead to the mans death. If you want to blame people, blame each and everyone on duty there that day. Not just the 4 RCMP's.