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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:01 am
That'll teach the states: You're not invited to the meeting to save that thing you hate. Trudeau is such a smrt prime minister.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:50 am
Why should they be invited? They've shown no interest in rules based trade, and have hinted they will leave the WTO.
No point in having them there.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:57 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Why should they be invited? They've shown no interest in rules based trade, and have hinted they will leave the WTO.
No point in having them there. Absolutely. I just felt like making a snarky sarcastic remark.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:05 am
I read this bit and thought, "Yea, fuck 'em". $1: In the case of the WTO, the U.S. has moved beyond hostile rhetoric and blocked the appointments of new judges to its dispute settlement body, which is threatening to paralyse the organization and prevent it from making decisions.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:29 am
$1: Canada has not included the United States in an upcoming meeting aimed at saving the international trading system because it doesn’t share the views of the 13 invited countries, says the new Canadian trade minister. Good. This gives President Trump justification to pull out of the WTO and stop sending the WTO anymore US funding. Also, this shit works both ways so don't bitch when the US doesn't waste time inviting anyone from the Trudeau regime to much of anything in the future.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:32 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:39 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: $1: Canada has not included the United States in an upcoming meeting aimed at saving the international trading system because it doesn’t share the views of the 13 invited countries, says the new Canadian trade minister. Good. This gives President Trump justification to pull out of the WTO and stop sending the WTO anymore US funding. Also, this shit works both ways so don't bitch when the US doesn't waste time inviting anyone from the Trudeau regime to much of anything in the future. I always loved how governments you don't like suddenly turn into 'regimes'.  $1: “The president insulted our country, our prime minister and even our chief negotiator,” said Frank McKenna, a former premier of New Brunswick and a former Canadian ambassador to the United States.
“He not only used rude language, he threatened our economic welfare,” Mr. McKenna said. “And he seemed to do it with great glee. People won’t forget that. I think that’s now deep in our psyche — the way we were treated by this president.”
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Many Canadians, who touted their relationship with Americans as the most successful partnership in the world, feel that the special bond is gone — or at least frayed.
“We think we understand the United States, or thought we did,” said Janice Stein, the founding director of the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs. “That relationship is gone.”
Bill Anderson, the director of the University of Windsor’s Cross-Border Institute, a research organization across the river from Detroit, said there was still hope that relations could be repaired eventually.
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“It’s impossible to explain to Americans how insulted Canadians were by that,” Professor Stein said. “How, by any stretch of the imagination, could we be a security threat to the U.S.?”
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In the days before signing the deal, Mr. Trump announced that he had purposely snubbed Mr. Trudeau by refusing to meet with him at the United Nations and declared that he didn’t like Canada’s trade representative — presumably Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland — “very much.” (Mr. Trudeau’s office said no request for a meeting was ever made.)
“That type of language was extremely offensive,” Professor Anderson said. “That’s going to stick with people.”
For Canada and U.S., ‘That Relationship Is Gone’ After Bitter Nafta TalksAnd it didn't have to be this way.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:44 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: I always loved how governments you don't like suddenly turn into 'regimes'.  Your government is not the same thing as Trudeau and his coterie of sycophants (aka the Trudeau regime). After the next election you'll have a new PM and hopefully things will improve. DrCaleb DrCaleb: And it didn't have to be this way. Actually, yes it did because that's what it took to get a better trade deal.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:50 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Actually, yes it did because that's what it took to get a better trade deal.
well WE actually didn't get a better deal, we got the same deal, you got the better deal.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:52 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: DrCaleb DrCaleb: I always loved how governments you don't like suddenly turn into 'regimes'.  Your government is not the same thing as Trudeau and his coterie of sycophants (aka the Trudeau regime). After the next election you'll have a new PM and hopefully things will improve. Trump wasn't punishing Trudeau, the guy he said he had a good relationship with - before and after calling him all sorts of names. He was punishing us all. And it's unlikely anyone else will be PM next year. BartSimpson BartSimpson: DrCaleb DrCaleb: And it didn't have to be this way. Actually, yes it did because that's what it took to get a better trade deal. There was nothing wrong with the trade deal before.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:58 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Also, this shit works both ways so don't bitch when the US doesn't waste time inviting anyone from the Trudeau regime to much of anything in the future. Please remember this the next time the US wants us to join one of its dirty little wars in the Middle East or Asia. 
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:09 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: DrCaleb DrCaleb: I always loved how governments you don't like suddenly turn into 'regimes'.  Your government is not the same thing as Trudeau and his coterie of sycophants (aka the Trudeau regime). After the next election you'll have a new PM and hopefully things will improve. DrCaleb DrCaleb: And it didn't have to be this way. Actually, yes it did because that's what it took to get a better trade deal. This wasn't two neighbors discussing/negotiating business. This was Tony Soprano telling us the way it's going to work or else. You think that's going to be suddenly forgotten about after the next election? The better deal America needed was to reclaim manufacturing from Mexico. America already had a trade surplus with Canada. So no, it didn't have to be this way. And this won't be forgotten about any time soon. I would suggest that if you insist on posting in Trump's defense on a Canadian forum, you need to get used to being told to go fuck yourself.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:13 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: BartSimpson BartSimpson: $1: Canada has not included the United States in an upcoming meeting aimed at saving the international trading system because it doesn’t share the views of the 13 invited countries, says the new Canadian trade minister. Good. This gives President Trump justification to pull out of the WTO and stop sending the WTO anymore US funding. Also, this shit works both ways so don't bitch when the US doesn't waste time inviting anyone from the Trudeau regime to much of anything in the future. I always loved how governments you don't like suddenly turn into 'regimes'.  $1: “The president insulted our country, our prime minister and even our chief negotiator,” said Frank McKenna, a former premier of New Brunswick and a former Canadian ambassador to the United States.
“He not only used rude language, he threatened our economic welfare,” Mr. McKenna said. “And he seemed to do it with great glee. People won’t forget that. I think that’s now deep in our psyche — the way we were treated by this president.”
. . .
Many Canadians, who touted their relationship with Americans as the most successful partnership in the world, feel that the special bond is gone — or at least frayed.
“We think we understand the United States, or thought we did,” said Janice Stein, the founding director of the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs. “That relationship is gone.”
Bill Anderson, the director of the University of Windsor’s Cross-Border Institute, a research organization across the river from Detroit, said there was still hope that relations could be repaired eventually.
. . .
“It’s impossible to explain to Americans how insulted Canadians were by that,” Professor Stein said. “How, by any stretch of the imagination, could we be a security threat to the U.S.?”
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In the days before signing the deal, Mr. Trump announced that he had purposely snubbed Mr. Trudeau by refusing to meet with him at the United Nations and declared that he didn’t like Canada’s trade representative — presumably Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland — “very much.” (Mr. Trudeau’s office said no request for a meeting was ever made.)
“That type of language was extremely offensive,” Professor Anderson said. “That’s going to stick with people.”
For Canada and U.S., ‘That Relationship Is Gone’ After Bitter Nafta TalksAnd it didn't have to be this way. No, it didn't. If Trudeau and Freeland had approached the original re-negotiations from a position of good faith instead of trying to shove their mamby-pamby, touchy-feely non-negotiable virtue signaling bullshit into the agreement, this probably wouldn't have led to the bombastic rhetoric. As for being a security threat, considering how porous PM Groper had made the border I'd tend to agree with Trump. For Christ sake, Trudeau is letting terrorists remain in Canada while people who came into Canada under the same "conditions" as Maryam Monsef are being deported and/or stripped of their citizenship in record numbers. The reality is Canada itself is no security threat to the US. Trudeau on the other hand is a security threat to Canada.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:23 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: BartSimpson BartSimpson: DrCaleb DrCaleb: I always loved how governments you don't like suddenly turn into 'regimes'.  Your government is not the same thing as Trudeau and his coterie of sycophants (aka the Trudeau regime). After the next election you'll have a new PM and hopefully things will improve. Trump wasn't punishing Trudeau, the guy he said he had a good relationship with - before and after calling him all sorts of names. He was punishing us all. And it's unlikely anyone else will be PM next year.  And where's he going to get support? I don't see him winning any seats in BC. He might nab a couple in Alberta. I don't see him getting much support in SK. Manitoba has just joined the fight against his carbon tax. Ontario recently showed what they thought of this new ALT-left brand of Liberalism. Liberals have been steadily losing support in Quebec. What's left? The Maritimes and the Territories? Well, he won't have the support of Nunavut either. And what does it mean by "like-minded countries"? Those countries that are being ruled by ALT-left fascist human garbage?
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