[Newsbot]

Title: Mentally ill stabber in army recruiting centre attack to be allowed into community
Category: Business
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2018-07-27 12:04:52
Canadian

[llama66]

There are no words strong enough to describe my hatred of the NCR defense. If he's NCR he needs to be put in a psych ward for the equivalent time a criminal conviction would have landed him in jail. The system is a joke.

[BeaverFever]

llama66 llama66:

There are no words strong enough to describe my hatred of the NCR defense. If he's NCR he needs to be put in a psych ward for the equivalent time a criminal conviction would have landed him in jail. The system is a joke.

Why? That kind of defeats the whole point of ‘someone being found to be not criminally responsible.’

What if he’s still crazy at the end of the sentence, you would just release him from the psych ward? NCRs are in jail until they’re no longer a safety risk, which is often much longer than the jail sentence would be. Sometimes they never get out even for offences that would have had relatively short sentences. And for those who are released their likelihood of reoffending after is much much less than “sane” criminals who intentionally offend and are just cut loose one their time in the penalty box is up.

[Jabberwalker]

I think that someone who went on a stabbing spree in 2016 can't be "all better now".

After say, three decades of treatment ...MAYBE a controlled release.

Maybe.

If the guy's a psycho, you probably can't "fix" him. If he's not, he is a homocidal criminal that should be in a penitentiary.

This is nonsense.

[Newsbot]

Title: Mentally ill stabber in army recruiting centre attack to be allowed into community
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2018-07-27 12:04:52
Canadian

[newz]

The islamists must be laughing their heads off. Only way this miscreant should have left that office was in a pine box.

[martin14]

And I thought the Vince Li decision was a joke...

[BeaverFever]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I think that someone who went on a stabbing spree in 2016 can't be "all better now".

After say, three decades of treatment ...MAYBE a controlled release.

Maybe.

If the guy's a psycho, you probably can't "fix" him. If he's not, he is a homocidal criminal that should be in a penitentiary.

This is nonsense.

On what basis do you judge it takex 30 years to treat someone?

That’sn not how it works at all. The severity of the crime is no indicator of the severity of mental illness. A mental illness can cause a person to exhibit abnormal behaviour but whether that behaviour happens to result in a serious crime, a minor crime, or is completely harmless and benign is random chance. It’s not as if someone who shoplifts expensive items needs more treatment than some who steals cheap items just because his crime is more serious. With violt crimes there’s a higher bar obviously and a greater abundance of caution before releasing someone who is NCR but really the treatment and caue may not be that different.

Let me describe it another way.: let’s say you’re driving your car and the brakes fail. The repair job to fix your brakes is the same regardless of whether you ended up coasting to a safe stop or whether you ended up hitting a pedestrian who happened to be crossing in front of you. You wouldn’t say the brake job should take longer just because it hit a pedestrian. Now MAYBE when you take the car in the mechanic will tell you there’s a serious problem and the brakes can’t be fixed at all. Or maybe it’s a quick easy fix that they do all the time, Or maybe it’s complicated as there are multiple overlapping issues that will take a lot of time and effort and there are no guarantees. But none of the mechanic’s estimate or brake repair work will have anything to do with whether you hit that pedestrian or not, but it will probably motivate the mechanic to be a lot more thorough when fixing the problem.

There’s an interesting documentary on NCR here:


https://watch.cbc.ca/media/doc-zone/sea ... 094a897e7c

[Thanos]

There's more reason to be concerned with this one because even if the guy is legit nuts there's obviously a large political/religious component to the attack that wasn't there in similar violent NCR attacks (e.g. Vince Li). If this attacker isn't kept off the internet and away from whatever group/mosque that probably used his illness as a tool to radicalize him then that means he remains an active danger even if he keeps up on his brain candy and therapy. Anyone who might have manipulated him in the first place is really just getting him dropped right back into their circle to use as a drone weapon all over again.

[Jabberwalker]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I think that someone who went on a stabbing spree in 2016 can't be "all better now".

After say, three decades of treatment ...MAYBE a controlled release.

Maybe.

If the guy's a psycho, you probably can't "fix" him. If he's not, he is a homocidal criminal that should be in a penitentiary.

This is nonsense.

On what basis do you judge it takex 30 years to treat someone?

That’sn not how it works at all. The severity of the crime is no indicator of the severity of mental illness. A mental illness can cause a person to exhibit abnormal behaviour but whether that behaviour happens to result in a serious crime, a minor crime, or is completely harmless and benign is random chance. It’s not as if someone who shoplifts expensive items needs more treatment than some who steals cheap items just because his crime is more serious. With violt crimes there’s a higher bar obviously and a greater abundance of caution before releasing someone who is NCR but really the treatment and caue may not be that different.

Let me describe it another way.: let’s say you’re driving your car and the brakes fail. The repair job to fix your brakes is the same regardless of whether you ended up coasting to a safe stop or whether you ended up hitting a pedestrian who happened to be crossing in front of you. You wouldn’t say the brake job should take longer just because it hit a pedestrian. Now MAYBE when you take the car in the mechanic will tell you there’s a serious problem and the brakes can’t be fixed at all. Or maybe it’s a quick easy fix that they do all the time, Or maybe it’s complicated as there are multiple overlapping issues that will take a lot of time and effort and there are no guarantees. But none of the mechanic’s estimate or brake repair work will have anything to do with whether you hit that pedestrian or not, but it will probably motivate the mechanic to be a lot more thorough when fixing the problem.

There’s an interesting documentary on NCR here:


https://watch.cbc.ca/media/doc-zone/sea ... 094a897e7c

He took the KLK treatment (Klever Lawyer Kure) and he's all better, now!

[BeaverFever]

It’s not the lawyer who determines if you’re NCR or not and once you are declared NCR the lawyers have nothing to do with when the treatment providers determine you’re fit for reentry to society.

[2Cdo]

Beaver is pleased that his muslim buddy is free to walk, and the fact that he attacked Canadian soldiers is even better because we know he doesn't give a flying fuck about our miitary.

[BeaverFever]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Beaver is pleased that his muslim buddy is free to walk, and the fact that he attacked Canadian soldiers is even better because we know he doesn't give a flying fuck about our miitary.

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Beaver is pleased that his muslim buddy is free to walk, and the fact that he attacked Canadian soldiers is even better because we know he doesn't give a flying fuck about our miitary.

[GreenTiger]

llama66 llama66:

There are no words strong enough to describe my hatred of the NCR defense. If he's NCR he needs to be put in a psych ward for the equivalent time a criminal conviction would have landed him in jail. The system is a joke.

There is nothing wrong with this fellow that’s 32 calibler round to the back of his skull wouldn’t cure.