[Newsbot]

Title: MPs� self-approved $2,300 salary increase is �self-serving� says taxpayers� group
Category: Political
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2017-04-29 11:29:44
Canadian

[GC66]

$2300 is nothing.

[ShepherdsDog]

It's $2 300 more than most other Canadians are getting...Canadians who actually work and don't have a load of fringe benefits already.

[BeaverFever]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It's $2 300 more than most other Canadians are getting....

No it's not. Most people outside of McJobs receive an annual cost of living increase of about 2% or 3%...,often twice that if personal/business performance is above target.

[ShepherdsDog]

Plenty are seeing rollbacks in their pay of up to 3% because of deficits. So your argument is bullshit.

[BeaverFever]

Actually I can tell you definitively that on average, employers projected their 2017 salary increase at 2% to 2.5% of payroll, depending on the survey source and geographic region. This is something that I've consulted on specifically. Even in hard-hir Alberta it was 1.5%.

Keep in mind that this means total payroll will increase by 2% due to salary increases, not that employees will receive 2% Most who receive raises will receive much more than that, but with new hires, projected turnover and ineligible (contract/temp/commissioned employees) partially offsetting

I'm not even sure what you're referring to "rollbacks because of deficits". Union agreements in the oil patch perhaps? Non-Union employees (the majority of the workforce) don't usually have their salaries reduced because that amounts to constructive dismissal. Usually they just lay people off.

[ShepherdsDog]

Anybody who works for the Saskatchewan government. Guess you're not as omniscient as you thought you were, and only know as much as the rest of us figured you did.

[BeaverFever]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Anybody who works for the Saskatchewan government. Guess you're not as omniscient as you thought you were, and only know as much as the rest of us figured you did.

SO you're just talking about the (mostly unionized) public sector workforce of one particular province. Do you even have a point???

Like what are you saying, employees of one government can't get a nominal cost of living increase because a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT with a right wing austerity ideology has chosen to reduce salaries for ITS employees?


Also your original comment was about "most other Canadians". I don't know if you know this but Saskatchewan public employees don't constitute "most Canadians".

[herbie]

Nope. Most of us have to work our nuts off all day and come home sweaty and stinky with while those suit wearing elitist slobs don't do anything other than fuck us over. The solution is to elect people who don't need a salary, they'll protect our interest from those filthy rich bastards.
Haven't you heard that sentiment your whole life?

[ShepherdsDog]

Beaver fever with his head firmly lodged in his ass Beaver fever with his head firmly lodged in his ass:

Blah blah blah.

[Coach85]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Actually I can tell you definitively that on average, employers projected their 2017 salary increase at 2% to 2.5% of payroll, depending on the survey source and geographic region. This is something that I've consulted on specifically. Even in hard-hir Alberta it was 1.5%.

Keep in mind that this means total payroll will increase by 2% due to salary increases, not that employees will receive 2% Most who receive raises will receive much more than that, but with new hires, projected turnover and ineligible (contract/temp/commissioned employees) partially offsetting

I'm not even sure what you're referring to "rollbacks because of deficits". Union agreements in the oil patch perhaps? Non-Union employees (the majority of the workforce) don't usually have their salaries reduced because that amounts to constructive dismissal. Usually they just lay people off.

Keyword noted above in bold.

Comparing average base salary increases, which includes all levels of employees from front line to top management, is not a metric to look at when you're looking at the average Canadian worker.

Haven't been around long but notice there's a definite trend with you cheering on the various Liberal governments even while salary increases are given when governments are running deep in the red ink.

[BeaverFever]

Funny how you guys never noticed this when Harper was PM eh? Pathetic and desperate. Here's a trip down memory lane for you selective memory losers

$1:

MPs in line for 2.3% pay hike — about five times that offered public servants
BY POSTMEDIA NEWS
ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: MAR 12, 2015

OTTAWA — MPs are in line for a 2.3% pay raise, about five times the increase the Conservative government is offering public-service employees.

https://www.google.ca/amp/news.national ... rvants/amp

$1:

Raises for MPs, senators more than double average wage boost for public sector unions


Jordan Press, Ottawa Citizen
Published: March 7, 2014, 4:26 pm
Updated: 3 years ago

OTTAWA — While the federal government speaks of fiscal restraint and cutting spending to return to a balanced budget, MPs are about to get a wage increase of 2.2 per cent.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/raise ... tor-unions

$1:

MPs' salaries escalate to $155,400
Members of Parliament are set to edge further into the top one per cent of Canadian income-earners with a $4,600 pay hike April 1 that will take their minimum salaries to $155,400 annually.

Thu., Feb. 28, 2008


OTTAWA–Members of Parliament are set to edge further into the top one per cent of Canadian income-earners with a $4,600 pay hike April 1 that will take their minimum salaries to $155,400 annually.

The automatic pay hike of 3.1 per cent is outlined in a memo Commons Speaker Peter Milliken sent to all MPs the day before Finance Minister Jim Flaherty delivered a federal budget that restrained government spending in the face of an economic downturn.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar ... 55400.html

I could go on but you get the point. The Harper government gave MP pay increase every fiscal year they were in power, except the years beginning 2010, 2011 and 2012 due to the financial crisis

The discussions on this site would be so much better if you people knew what the fuck you were talking about or at the very least spent a few minutes on google before you post.

[BeaverFever]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Beaver fever with his head firmly lodged in his ass Beaver fever with his head firmly lodged in his ass:

Blah blah blah.

Sad.

[Coach85]

I'm not talking about Harper nor was I here when that took place.

Is it normal for you to excuse poor government policy by saying "they did it too" as some sort of justification?

[Tricks]

Coach85 Coach85:

I'm not talking about Harper nor was I here when that took place.

Is it normal for you to excuse poor government policy by saying "they did it too" as some sort of justification?

Yes.

Both sides of the aisle enjoy it here.