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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:10 pm
 


Title: Alberta's climate change 'leadership' paved way for pipeline approvals, says Justin Trudeau
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Date: 2016-12-21 16:07:27
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:10 pm
 


A lesson Harper would have been well advised to learn. He blew it on Keystone, and on Enbridge.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:13 pm
 


Wasn't much on compromise, our Mr. Harper.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:54 pm
 


First of all their not built yet and you people believe his bull shit. ROTFL ROTFL


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:29 pm
 


Couldn't have helped Enbridge.
New pipeline route, new tanker terminals and new traffic needed and in a populated part of a province. There was no support for Enbridge from any of the towns along the way.
And cutting the Coast Guard bases was suicidal.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:41 pm
 


andyt andyt:
A lesson Harper would have been well advised to learn. He blew it on Keystone, and on Enbridge.



Enbridge yes, Keystone no and for the record the Keystone pipeline is on again if, we cave to the Donalds demands for big chunks of money from the pipeline going to the US. A demand that, when you think about it is pretty much the same ones that Krispie Clark wanted for Enbridge's BC pipeline. ROTFL

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016 ... he-us.html


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:58 pm
 


Now let's hear from somebody who isn't reporting like a Federal Liberal party stenographer framing Justin's talking points for the CBC ad department.



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:39 pm
 


So the impression I got from the CBC was Justin had done some remarkable thing where he was going to build a pipeline, clean the air and drop the world's temperature about 5 degrees as opposed to what those do-nothing pipeline hating Conservatives did.

After reading around a bit though I discover Harper's Conservatives were actually pro-pipeline and nothing is happening now that wouldn't have happened eventually under them.

This government is still going to have to deal with the forces that were delaying the pipelines under the last government. They're just farther along the chain of getting it done is all.

One has to be paying attention when Justin talks, I find. When he talks about how 'Canada is moving ahead with these projects,' it almost sounds like he's saying his government is building them.

All Justin is doing is giving government approval. Good for him. What else is new? Just guessing, but were the Liberals against pipelines before they were for them?


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Yes, let's hear from another source on this issue, like a former TransCanada Pipeline exec who worked on the entire design of the Keystone XL:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/keyston ... -1.3898598

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Some diehards in the Alberta oilpatch won't give credit to Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Alberta NDP premier Rachel Notley for giving them the top gift on their Christmas wish list — approval of a new oil export pipeline. But according to a new book, those unlikely oilpatch allies did what former Prime Minister Stephen Harper wouldn't do to get Keystone XL constructed.

With a Donald Trump victory south of the border, Keystone XL may still be built one day, however its lengthy delays and rejection by Barack Obama have already cost millions, if not billions, in lost revenues for Canadian producers, led to the regulatory fast-tracking of pipelines in Canada and ratcheted up the pressure in Canada's already contentious pipeline debate.

Could all of this been avoided? Maybe, if Canada had played one important card, the only one it had left, but refused to use — a price on carbon.

Dennis McConaghy remembers the moment he knew Canada needed a carbon tax if Keystone XL was ever going to be approved. McConaghy was a TransCanada executive and his department came up with the idea for Keystone XL and gained commercial support for the project.

After Obama's speech at Georgetown University in June of 2013, McConaghy realized the writing was on the wall for Keystone XL, even though the project was never mentioned. The speech focused solely on climate change and took aim at fossil fuels.

"This is a challenge that does not pause for partisan gridlock. It demands our attention now. And this is my plan to meet it — a plan to cut carbon pollution; a plan to protect our country from the impacts of climate change; and a plan to lead the world in a coordinated assault on a changing climate," said Obama to applause.

McConaghy's new book, Dysfunction: Canada after Keystone XL, looks at how the project was almost built, but fell short. It examines the history of the project, the impacts in Canada and the choices the country now faces. McConaghy left TransCanada two years ago and cut his ties to the oilpatch, although he still holds shares in the Calgary-based company.

Around the time of the Georgetown speech and after it, TransCanada was talking with Harper's government and the main oil industry lobby group, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP), about how to get Obama onside. McConaghy said company representatives raised the issue of carbon pricing.

"TransCanada tried to work with those two entities to see if any Canadian carbon policy changes could be made," said McConaghy.

Neither Harper nor CAPP had any appetite for a carbon tax, so the decision was made to stay the course. Oil industry players are often hypocrites when it comes to climate change, says McConaghy, because they broadly acknowledge the risks of climate change, but rarely endorse credible policy to deal with the problem.

Harper famously called the project a "no brainer," suggesting the merits of the project were good enough for the pipeline to be approved. There was no need for Canada to do anything else.

To this day, McConaghy wonders whether that decision sealed the pipeline's doom under Obama. A national carbon tax should have been introduced years ago, he says, and it could have saved the project.

"Carbon pricing, in a world that is trying to be serious about dealing with the issue, it was the only alternative for Canada," he says. "That should have been pursued more publicly and with greater conviction as the last card Canada had to play."

In his book, McConaghy says Harper's frosty relationship with Obama hurt the prospects of Keystone XL and a victory by then-Liberal leader Stéphane Dion in 2008 may have changed the fortunes of the pipeline proposal because of Dion's ambitious Green Shift policy.


Pfft. What does this guy know? Let's go to Alt-RightAlt-Reich316's YouTube channel and Twitter feed instead for an opinion that actually matters. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:10 pm
 


Or we could go to Forbes and discover how big Democrat pressure players like Warren Buffet stood to gain from a stoppage in Keystone.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mergermarke ... d2ccd53003

I'm not sure what a theory of what might have moved Obama to halt his blockage of the Keystone pipeline has to do with building pipelines within Canada though.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:11 pm
 


So he's the guy that got TCPL into Wind and Solar big time? No wonder he wanted a carbon price.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:28 pm
 


It's never been unusual for Big Energy to capitulate to or at least cooperate with Big Green.

Even Exxon did it for awhile. BP and Shell have always done it. EnCana was one of the Suzuki foundations biggest donors at one time.

Not sure why this is. I imagine there's some sort of you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours arrangement going on.

(Yes, there are exceptions. So what?)


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:31 pm
 


Either that or they know the actual real science instead of following a bunch of made up crap on the internet.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:33 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Either that or they know the actual real science instead of following a bunch of made up crap on the internet.


Of course, because business has never been about the bottom line, right?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:38 pm
 


Now let's go to DieRachelDie!420 on Reddit, followed by SendHildacuntToAuschwitz and WhoNeedsHighSchool? at Breitbart/Disqus for other opinions. :lol:


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