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Title: Trudeau says he�ll protect Canadian interests, values if Trump goes too far
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: shockedcanadian
Date: 2016-12-20 16:32:41
Canadian

[shockedcanadian]

Just what are these "values" he speaks of?

Here's a fact, I will help America protect their interests too. What has been done to myself and American businesses is astonishing, and I will make sure the next administration has the facts and not the B.S being fed from Canadian security clowns.

Oh, and if Trudeau want to protect illegal immigrants in America, he can offer to offer them safety in Canada. Want to bet that doesn't happen? I'm all for helping the downtrodden, but they have 11 million illegal immigrants in their borders. Does any nation on earth think that is an acceptable level of security?

[raydan]

Do you realize how crazy you sound sometimes?

[shockedcanadian]

raydan raydan:

Do you realize how crazy you sound sometimes?

Do you realize that the Canadian government doesn't give a damn about an illegal immigrant being deported from America? He could openly offer these immigrants safehaven, he could get right on that file January 20th, and would be a hero to many Americans for accepting them. Not going to happen no matter what America does to send illegals back to their home country. You and I both know this.

Canada doesn't care about so-called "values" and we certainly don't protect them, these are nice words with no sincerity attached. This is more political theatre, much like the mannequin Harper engaged in. Just as Harper learned, our allies don't trust us and it become clearer by the day.

Help the downtrodden, yes, speak out against a country dealing with an illegal immigration epidemic; the same country your own security apparatus stabs in the back, better to just not even bring up the subject.

[ShepherdsDog]

raydan raydan:

Do you realize how crazy you sound sometimes?

Ray, you do realize that his manifestos never make it beyond his nurses and doctor don't you?

[Freakinoldguy]

Nice that he's talking about protecting Canadian values but, wouldn't you have to have a core identity to have these values he's talking about?

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Without a core identity it's just a hodgepodge of different values based on race, religion, morals, politics and which part of the country you live in. So, before he can claim to be protecting Canadian values shouldn't he'd first identify what they are because, "his" values are diametrically opposed to what alot of people in Canada believe in.

[andyt]

We've been wracking ourselves about what it means to be Canadian for as long as I can remember. Nobody ever came up with much, except we're not American. Oh, and winter. We don't even have a national cuisine. So you can't really blame him for speaking the truth.

What do you think our core values are?

[Thanos]

Peace, order, and good government. We generally have the first two but the last one is in the eye of the beholder. And, in general as well, we're what the Americans would have been like without their Revolution, a sedate bastion created by the nature of 18th century British Toryism untainted by republican radicalism. Kind of "let's find a solution*" as opposed to the "let's destroy our enemies utterly" that the Americans too often favour.

* even if at times our solutions tend to really suck

[BRAH]

Trudeau says he'll protect Canadian interests, values if Trump goes too far

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

We've been wracking ourselves about what it means to be Canadian for as long as I can remember. Nobody ever came up with much, except we're not American. Oh, and winter. We don't even have a national cuisine. So you can't really blame him for speaking the truth.

What do you think our core values are?

Like you I'm not really sure but I do know that each individual has a different set of values so maybe Trudeau should have said we don't have a core set of values rather than an identity because we definitely have a core identity.

We as Canadians need to define ourselves and our core identity is rooted in history. At one time to be Canadian it was enough to say we weren't Americans but, not anymore. Hell if I was to hazard a guess it'd be that our identity as Canadians is stronger than it's ever been. This identity includes our history through the first nations, the French and English adventurers and explorers. It includes the mass migrations from Europe and even now the middle east it includes everything that has happened to us as a country. Historical facts which give us our identity. It includes all he wars and conflicts we've been involved in, it includes every invention a Canadian has created, it includes our sports and accomplishments on the world stage. Our Canadian identity is like a person who's life experiences make them who they are.

So if Mr. Trudeau is going to protect "Canada's values" he's got to be speaking for himself and for the people who think like him since I and likely quite a few other Canadians don't subscribe to quite a few of what he considers Canadian values.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

What do you think our core values are?

Like you I'm not really sure but I do know that each individual has a different set of values so maybe Trudeau should have said we don't have a core set of values rather than an identity because we definitely have a core identity.

We as Canadians need to define ourselves and our core identity is rooted in history. At one time to be Canadian it was enough to say we weren't Americans but, not anymore. Hell if I was to hazard a guess it'd be that our identity as Canadians is stronger than it's ever been. This identity includes our history through the first nations, the French and English adventurers and explorers. It includes the mass migrations from Europe and even now the middle east it includes everything that has happened to us as a country. Historical facts which give us our identity. It includes all he wars and conflicts we've been involved in, it includes every invention a Canadian has created, it includes our sports and accomplishments on the world stage. Our Canadian identity is like a person who's life experiences make them who they are.

So if Mr. Trudeau is going to protect "Canada's values" he's got to be speaking for himself and for the people who think like him since I and likely quite a few other Canadians don't subscribe to quite a few of what he considers Canadian values.

True for every country.

Man, you set a pretty high bar if every Canadian has to agree on our core identity with him before he can open his mouth. You jumped all over him for saying there is no core identity, yet aren't sure yourself what it is. There isn't a country in the world where every citizen agrees what the core identity of that country is. Seems to me that if you criticize him for saying there is no core identity, you should at least be able to offer up what that identity is, or in effect you're saying we don't have one.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

What do you think our core values are?

Like you I'm not really sure but I do know that each individual has a different set of values so maybe Trudeau should have said we don't have a core set of values rather than an identity because we definitely have a core identity.

We as Canadians need to define ourselves and our core identity is rooted in history. At one time to be Canadian it was enough to say we weren't Americans but, not anymore. Hell if I was to hazard a guess it'd be that our identity as Canadians is stronger than it's ever been. This identity includes our history through the first nations, the French and English adventurers and explorers. It includes the mass migrations from Europe and even now the middle east it includes everything that has happened to us as a country. Historical facts which give us our identity. It includes all he wars and conflicts we've been involved in, it includes every invention a Canadian has created, it includes our sports and accomplishments on the world stage. Our Canadian identity is like a person who's life experiences make them who they are.

So if Mr. Trudeau is going to protect "Canada's values" he's got to be speaking for himself and for the people who think like him since I and likely quite a few other Canadians don't subscribe to quite a few of what he considers Canadian values.

True for every country.

Man, you set a pretty high bar if every Canadian has to agree on our core identity with him before he can open his mouth. You jumped all over him for saying there is no core identity, yet aren't sure yourself what it is. There isn't a country in the world where every citizen agrees what the core identity of that country is. Seems to me that if you criticize him for saying there is no core identity, you should at least be able to offer up what that identity is, or in effect you're saying we don't have one.

It's our shared cultures and languages. Our laws, our collective outlook on the world, our ability to put differences aside to achieve a common goal. Sure if you believe the academics who say finding an Canadian identity is impossible then you aren't going to find one. I've served with people from every race and every part of Canada and there was always one common denominator that identified us. We all considered ourselves Canadians and because this country is a giant tapestry of different regions, customs, cultures, values and beliefs doesn't mean that there is no common identity.

The historians claim that at Vimy Ridge Canada truly became a country and that battle was the one that defined as Canadians. So you can say becoming a country gave us an identity and since the definition of National Identity is:

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National identity is one's identity or sense of belonging to one state or to one nation.[1][2] It is the sense of a nation as a cohesive whole, as represented by distinctive traditions, culture, language and politics.[3] National identity may refer to the subjective feeling one shares with a group of people about a nation, regardless of one's legal citizenship status.[4] National identity is viewed in psychological terms as "an awareness of difference", a "feeling and recognition of 'we' and 'they'".[5]

We've had a Canadian identity since 1865. Only recently have their been questions raised about our national identity and that problem can be laid directly at the feet of PET who through multiculturalism attempted to change the dynamic of our identity. So having this Trudeau claim we have no identity when we clearly do, is just another attempt to shore up his fathers vision of Canada as the first post national state.

[herbie]

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We've had a Canadian identity since 1865

And it was multicultural even then. So Pierre finally recognized that even though some people still can't.
And what the hell does that have to do with protecting Canada's interests?

[martin14]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Oh, and if Trudeau want to protect illegal immigrants in America, he can offer to offer them safety in Canada. Want to bet that doesn't happen? I'm all for helping the downtrodden, but they have 11 million illegal immigrants in their borders. Does any nation on earth think that is an acceptable level of security?

It won't surprise me in the least to see a lot of Latinos bailing out of the US
for Canada. Especially now that the visa regime for Mexico is gone.

If Trump really gets serious about the deportations.

If.

andyt andyt:

Man, you set a pretty high bar if every Canadian has to agree on our core identity with him before he can open his mouth. You jumped all over him for saying there is no core identity, yet aren't sure yourself what it is. There isn't a country in the world where every citizen agrees what the core identity of that country is. Seems to me that if you criticize him for saying there is no core identity, you should at least be able to offer up what that identity is, or in effect you're saying we don't have one.

Sadly this is probably the one time per year andy is actually right about something.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I've served with people from every race and every part of Canada and there was always one common denominator that identified us. We all considered ourselves Canadians and because this country is a giant tapestry of different regions, customs, cultures, values and beliefs doesn't mean that there is no common identity.

Actually, it does if there is no common glue to hold (and supercede) the tapestry together.

Serving is one, but not everyone serves.

In fact, too few do.

[Freakinoldguy]

herbie herbie:

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We've had a Canadian identity since 1865

And it was multicultural even then. So Pierre finally recognized that even though some people still can't.
And what the hell does that have to do with protecting Canada's interests?

We weren't multicultural back then. We were bicultural and I'm guessing you can figure out which two parts of the bi we were. We were a melting pot for immigrants who for the most part accepted that they were now Canadians and were expected to and did take up our shared values and beliefs. It wasn't till 1971 when Trudeau senior changed our laws to make this country a Balkanized multi cultural mecca where the Gov't promoted divisiveness under the guise of diversity that we started to have an academic driven crisis of identity.

Oh, and this has nothing to do with protecting our interest but, since the topic included values, I surmised that you needed a collective identity to have a collective group of values and since Mr. Trudeau said we don't have a collective identity we likely can't have a set of collective values.