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Title: End of legal road for Nina Courtepatte killer 'Buffy'
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2016-10-12 05:39:46
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

Of course she was smiling. She gets to go home unlike her victim but, the most disturbing part of the article is the judge describing himself as "almost family".

So much for the impartiality of the law and whether this girl keeps out of trouble or not the fact remains that you'd have to question the acumen of a judge that develops that close a tie with a convicted killer.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So much for the impartiality of the law and whether this girl keeps out of trouble or not the fact remains that you'd have to question the acumen of a judge that develops that close a tie with a convicted killer.

On the contrary, although what she did sickened me at the time, I think her relationship with the Judge has been instrumental in her rehabilitation. And that is the principle that our justice system is based on - rehabilitation, not punishment.

I don't doubt that the Judge can still remain impartial in matters of law, but if he weren't a caring empathetic person I don't think he could do his job either.

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So much for the impartiality of the law and whether this girl keeps out of trouble or not the fact remains that you'd have to question the acumen of a judge that develops that close a tie with a convicted killer.

On the contrary, although what she did sickened me at the time, I think her relationship with the Judge has been instrumental in her rehabilitation. And that is the principle that our justice system is based on - rehabilitation, not punishment.

I don't doubt that the Judge can still remain impartial in matters of law, but if he weren't a caring empathetic person I don't think he could do his job either.

Although I don't necessarily agree with the idiom that the justice systems sole principal is rehabilitation as opposed to punishment in this case I'll acquiesce and say that yes she was rehabilitated because, despite the claims of severity of sentencing under the young offenders act she certainly wasn't punished in relation to the severity of her crime.

Judges may be caring but that doesn't mean they should become personally invested in the lives of the people they sentence especially to the extent they feel they're "family". The only reason he saw this girl more than once was because he kept giving her "second" chances when she screwed up so, if that's the sole reason for the claim of him being responsible for her turnaround then allow me to point out that his actions are the actions of an enabler who just happened to get lucky with this one criminal.

I also wonder if this judge would be as willing to take the same amount of responsibility and credit for the recidivism of the failures he's sentenced because, if he wouldn't then he's nothing more than a grand standing hypocrite.

[Lemmy]

I prefer segregation ahead of rehabilitation and punishment as the most important goal of sentencing. If you'd kill another person in this manner, you deserve to be segregated from humanity, permanently. No second chances. Bullet to the head, instantly after conviction. BANG! Gone. No more a concern to society in any way.

FOG FOG:

I also wonder if this judge would be as willing to take the same amount of responsibility and credit for the recidivism of the failures he's sentenced because, if he wouldn't then he's nothing more than a grand standing hypocrite.

While I agree with your initial sentiment about this case, now you're just being silly.

[BRAH]

This bitch should have got a needle in the arm.

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

I prefer segregation ahead of rehabilitation and punishment as the most important goal of sentencing. If you'd kill another person in this manner, you deserve to be segregated from humanity, permanently. No second chances. Bullet to the head, instantly after conviction. BANG! Gone. No more a concern to society in any way.

FOG FOG:

I also wonder if this judge would be as willing to take the same amount of responsibility and credit for the recidivism of the failures he's sentenced because, if he wouldn't then he's nothing more than a grand standing hypocrite.

While I agree with your initial sentiment about this case, now you're just being silly.

Sorry but if he's willing to claim the successes he has to be willing to take responsibility for the failures.

[Lemmy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sorry but if he's willing to claim the successes he has to be willing to take responsibility for the failures.

What failures? Name a person he convicted who he put the same effort into helping who then turned around and reoffended? You're making up a story that never happened. For what purpose? I don't know, to rip on judges for some reason?

[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sorry but if he's willing to claim the successes he has to be willing to take responsibility for the failures.

What failures? Name a person he convicted who he put the same effort into helping who then turned around and reoffended? You're making up a story that never happened. For what purpose? I don't know, to rip on judges for some reason?

He also gave her the maximum sentence allowed under the law. Don't blame the Judge for upholding the law, commend him for turning a lost cause into a productive citizen!

If the law needs to be changed, be part of that change.

[Lemmy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

He also gave her the maximum sentence allowed under the law. Don't blame the Judge for upholding the law, commend him for turning a lost cause into a productive citizen!

If the law needs to be changed, be part of that change.

I'm not condemning the judge in anyway. I'm condemning a system that doesn't summarily execute people who do what this girl did.

[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

He also gave her the maximum sentence allowed under the law. Don't blame the Judge for upholding the law, commend him for turning a lost cause into a productive citizen!

If the law needs to be changed, be part of that change.

I'm not condemning the judge in anyway. I'm condemning a system that doesn't summarily execute people who do what this girl did.

The condemnation part, I was agreeing with you and directing it toward FOG. Lost in translation from my brain to my fingers, I guess.

But I do agree, at the time I thought she should have been considered a lost cause and used as fertilizer. But since we don't do that, I'm glad she's turned around and in a system where Murders are having their charges dropped due to delays in trials, I'm glad that the Judge took the time to see that through. He could easily have treated her as a lost cause and waited till someone else was killed before getting involved in her harsher sentencing.

[Lemmy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But I do agree, at the time I thought she should have been considered a lost cause and used as fertilizer. But since we don't do that, I'm glad she's turned around and in a system where Murders are having their charges dropped due to delays in trials, I'm glad that the Judge took the time to see that through. He could easily have treated her as a lost cause and waited till someone else was killed before getting involved in her harsher sentencing.

Concur. As an economist, I always think in opportunity cost terms. It's commendable what the judge did, but I can't help thinking that that effort would have best been spent elsewhere, ie. helping out the victim's family.

[BartSimpson]

Hmmm. Ironic that it might be nice to see a headline sometime soon that annonuces the name of (say) Mike, The Buffy Slayer.