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Title: 20 States Voter Registration Systems Experience Hacking Activities
Category: Political
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2016-10-11 11:52:01
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

I sincerely hope someone in the Gov't and at elections Canada are watching this debacle so we don't continue down the same road with "online" voting which will be even more vulnerable.

It appears the linkie no workee so I'll try it here.

https://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2016/10/ ... emshacked=

[Thanos]

Don't worry. Canadian elections aren't important enough in the slightest to attract the attention of Putin's hacking teams. Our last election came down to which leader had the best hair, that's how damn irrelevant we are in the scheme of things.

[ShepherdsDog]

Small wonder Vidal Sassoon doesn't trust us.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I sincerely hope someone in the Gov't and at elections Canada are watching this debacle so we don't continue down the same road with "online" voting which will be even more vulnerable.

My Geek comrades and I have been saying that voting machines used in many US states have been vulnerable to this since the early 2000's. It's even been shown how someone at one of those terminals can change the votes for everyone else using that terminal. Online voting would be worse.

In Canada, we still use pencil and paper. It seems to work, and you have the added advantage of knowing your vote can only be disqualified, but not changed.

[Freakinoldguy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Small wonder Vidal Sassoon doesn't trust us.

I didn't know he was an ally?

[ShepherdsDog]

Only on the wife's bad hair days.

[Thanos]

It's a uniquely American problem because instead of a sensible and pretty much neutral central federal body that oversees/conducts all election activity everywhere they'd rather have fifty states/five thousand counties with election committees that are controlled by party activists. It's along the lines of thinking that the local dog-catcher should be an elected position.

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I sincerely hope someone in the Gov't and at elections Canada are watching this debacle so we don't continue down the same road with "online" voting which will be even more vulnerable.

My Geek comrades and I have been saying that voting machines used in many US states have been vulnerable to this since the early 2000's. It's even been shown how someone at one of those terminals can change the votes for everyone else using that terminal. Online voting would be worse.

In Canada, we still use pencil and paper. It seems to work, and you have the added advantage of knowing your vote can only be disqualified, but not changed.

I'm glad you pointed that out since I hadn't noticed.

But, allow me to point out that, on the questionnaire from the panel for election reform there was a question about whether you favoured electronic voting or not which, led me to assume that just possibly the Gov't just might be exploring that option.

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanos Thanos:

It's a uniquely American problem because instead of a sensible and pretty much neutral central federal body that oversees/conducts all election activity everywhere they'd rather have fifty states/five thousand counties with election committees that are controlled by party activists. It's along the lines of thinking that the local dog-catcher should be an elected position.

It was up till now. If as a country we go to electronic voting (and by electronic voting I mean the world wide web) the chances of the system being hacked are raised exponentially one overseeing body or not and it won't be just the foreign gov'ts that will be able to do it..

[Thanos]

These are the things that will happen if online voting is brought in just to placate people who are too lazy to go to the polls or too impatient to stand in line at the voting booth. If it's brought in for these purposes, to get that boost in turn out that everyone thinks is so important, then of course it turns into another thing designed to please the lowest common denominator.

[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I sincerely hope someone in the Gov't and at elections Canada are watching this debacle so we don't continue down the same road with "online" voting which will be even more vulnerable.

My Geek comrades and I have been saying that voting machines used in many US states have been vulnerable to this since the early 2000's. It's even been shown how someone at one of those terminals can change the votes for everyone else using that terminal. Online voting would be worse.

In Canada, we still use pencil and paper. It seems to work, and you have the added advantage of knowing your vote can only be disqualified, but not changed.

I'm glad you pointed that out since I hadn't noticed.

But, allow me to point out that, on the questionnaire from the panel for election reform there was a question about whether you favoured electronic voting or not which, led me to assume that just possibly the Gov't just might be exploring that option.

You're not mistaken - it does come up for discussion in the media often and Elections Canada is looking into it. Municipal elections have been experimenting with it for years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroni ... #Municipal


It might be fine for municipalities but for the reset, I say people should get out and vote in person. It's not like the US where they line people up around the block, every election I've participated in, the polling station is always just around the corner and I'm in and out in less than 5 minutes. They do a really good job of making sure there are plenty stations spread around a riding, so nobody has to go too far or wait too long.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Don't worry. Canadian elections aren't important enough in the slightest to attract the attention of Putin's hacking teams. Our last election came down to which leader had the best hair, that's how damn irrelevant we are in the scheme of things.

Hate to say, but from where I sit I don't see much difference in your political parties.

They vary from the socialist party, the more-socialist party, and then the almost-communist party.

And then there's the party that says they'll spend money on defence and then eventually not do it, the party that talks about the importance of defence and then predictably never does anything about it, and then there's the party that doesn't say or do anything about defence at all.

Seriously, I've heard a lot of talk but the outcomes your parties deliver don't often diverge one from another.

So why bother hacking your elections when the fact is that you folks don't really have any choices to begin with?

[Thanos]

The point is to maintain the system that's taken a century and a half to build, and that generally works well most of the time considering that we're not trying to kill each other all the time and haven't slid back into medieval barbarism. That's where we differ. Even Canadian conservatives don't think that the purpose of politics it to someday achieve the final and total destruction of "the enemy". That's an anti-civilization way of thinking because being civilized means that sometimes you have to put up with people and things you don't like, and that you simply don't get to win all the time.

I'm plenty pissed off at Canada at any given time but I still think that if Americans were like us, especially Americans on the right, your country wouldn't be going through the absolutely awful time it's been stuck in since the Vietnam era. Either heal together as fellow citizens and as a unified country, or break up into smaller countries where you can separate from the ones you can't stand anymore.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

I'm plenty pissed off at Canada at any given time but I still think that if Americans were like us, especially Americans on the right...

Which underlines why we Americans opted for independence. We're not like you in the respect that we automatically defer to government in pretty much everything. We're also not going to go along with the goddamned leftists on everything just to facilitate unity. Unifying behind the hammer and sickle just isn't going to happen.

You folks will complain about government but you'll eventually capitulate to your leaders and let them have their way.

We'll nominate Donald Trump because The Great Meteor wasn't available. And if he loses the electin and there's any hint of wrongdoing involved (vote fraud) then Hillary's inauguration may well end up resembling Abraham Lincoln's inaugural.

So, yes, we have significant differences and we won't be resembling Canada any time soon. If ever.

But given enough immigration Canada will inevitably start to resemble the USA.