[Newsbot]

Title: Ottawa softens stand on stripping citizenship over false papers
Category: Political
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2016-10-05 15:45:52
Canadian

[N_Fiddledog]

"Called it.
By lance

It only took a day for the Liberals to institute a separate immigration system for themselves.

Immigration Minister John McCallum says he is open to granting a moratorium on the revocation of citizenship from Canadians who misrepresented themselves in their applications, an issue that has been thrust into the spotlight by the circumstances of cabinet minister Maryam Monsef's citizenship.
Mr. McCallum's comments come a week after the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association and the Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers filed a legal action with the Federal Court asking the government to put a stop to all revocations until it could fix a law that allows citizenship to be stripped without a hearing.
"I will consider that moratorium. I won't rule it out unconditionally," Mr. McCallum told Senate Question Period on Tuesday. "What I am saying is that we would welcome a reform to the system.

"The Clinton is strong with this one, complete with the 'if anyone else does it we will prosecute fully'."

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2016/10/called-it.html

[Delwin]

Citizenship should be irrevocable unless dual citizenship is involved. Dual citizenship should be illegal.

You should have to place your loyalty somewhere. If we go to war with your country of "dual citizenship", what do?

[Freakinoldguy]

Wow a sudden rush of sympathy to the brain. Who would have thought that the people who specialize in hypocrisy and entitlement would have "softened" their stance to help themselves, their party and their friends out.

Blatantly disgusting. I wonder how they'll spin this away or maybe they'll just come clean and finally admit that they'll do whatever the fuck they please and Canadian laws be damned.

[Freakinoldguy]

Delwin Delwin:

Citizenship should be irrevocable unless dual citizenship is involved. Dual citizenship should be illegal.

You should have to place your loyalty somewhere. If we go to war with your country of "dual citizenship", what do?

Bullshit, we aren't talking born in Canada people. Citizenship for immigrants is a privilege not a right and should be treated as such. Lie, cheat, steal, become a terrorist or any of the other myriad of crimes in Canada and lose your citizenship.

Now that Mr. potato has opened Pandora's box how the fuck can he expect to revoke anyone's citizenship after they commit the crime of omission on their citizenship application.

[Delwin]

What the absolute literal fuck are you talking about? Everyone on the planet is a citizen of somewhere. You are advocating making someone a citizen of nowhere? And so when you deport them, where exactly are you deporting them to? Do you even think before you type?

And you are reaffirming my position. 1 citizenship, either you are Canadian or you are not.

[Thanos]

An expectation would be nice that in exchange for citizenship they will also obey the laws of the nation. Apparently that's way too much to ask of a lot of them though. Oh, well, at least it gives the criminal defense lawyers something to do.

[andyt]

Delwin Delwin:

What the absolute literal fuck are you talking about? Everyone on the planet is a citizen of somewhere. You are advocating making someone a citizen of nowhere? And so when you deport them, where exactly are you deporting them to? Do you even think before you type?

And you are reaffirming my position. 1 citizenship, either you are Canadian or you are not.

Revoking the citizenship of people who lie to get into Canada makes sense to me. And they wouldn't be citizens of nowhere, but whatever citizenship they were before the took on the Canadian one.

But applying the rule in a rigid fashion also seems asinine. This woman didn't "lie" she is (was?) an Afghan citizen - Iran never offered it to her. Guess some people have a hard time understanding that nations like Iran have different laws than we do. Very different than some Nazi pretending to have been another Schindler.

[BeaverFever]

This law was a conservative law that the Liberals opposed while in opposition and it was inevitable that it would be challenged and withdrawn or changed anyway. Nobody is surprised by this even without the Monsaf situation.

As for Monsef, might I once again remind the righties that she was a CHILD when she came here as part of a refugee family and so she herself didn't "misrepresent" anything; not that the new detail of her actual place of birth would have been material to the family's refugee claim in the first place.

[Delwin]

Agreed Andy but now you are trying to use improper vetting as a reasoning. I am saying, assuming we know what the fuck we are doing. If someone is granted citizenship wrongfully, then I would absolutely agree that their citizenship is invalid. That is not something I wouldn't ever advocate against.

The point is, and I don't even see how righties could disagree with it in principle, if we establish criteria that are agreeable, and all other citizenship is revoked, then and only then are you a Canadian, and then and only then is it irrevocable.

[herbie]

$1:

Lawyers filed a legal action with the Federal Court asking the government to put a stop to all revocations until it could fix a law that allows citizenship to be stripped without a hearing.

Getting everyone'spanties in a knot cuz they shouldn't even get a hearing?

[Freakinoldguy]

Delwin Delwin:

What the absolute literal fuck are you talking about? Everyone on the planet is a citizen of somewhere. You are advocating making someone a citizen of nowhere? And so when you deport them, where exactly are you deporting them to? Do you even think before you type?

And you are reaffirming my position. 1 citizenship, either you are Canadian or you are not.

Nobody said they weren't.

But, since we're talking about the Canadian Gov't and their sudden change of heart when one of their own was outed as misrepresenting themselves on their immigration application I thought it would be obvious that we were talking about immigrants coming to Canada screwing up or lying, losing their citizenship and then being deported. But since you won't acknowledge that fact allow me to point out that we have deported former citizens in the past which makes your statement wrong. As for you claim that everyone is a citizen of somewhere allow me to point out that there are people called stateless persons who have no citizenship anywhere.

$1:

GENERAL PROVISIONS

Article 1 - Definition of the term "stateless person"

1. For the purpose of this Convention, the term "stateless person" means a person who is not considered as a national by any State under the operation of its law.

Here's an interesting note.

$1:

Article 2 - General obligations
Every stateless person has duties to the country in which he finds himself, which require in particular that he conform to its laws and regulations as well as to measures taken for the maintenance of public order.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInt ... ersons.asp

So your assertions that everyone is a citizen of somewhere is wrong. They may be residents but they aren't necessarily citizens and if we revoke someones citizenship and send them back to their country of origin it's up to that country to do with them as they please not ours.

As for you saying your a Canadian or you're not, allow me to point out that a person by their own actions can make themselves a "former Canadian" who no longer has the privilege (not right) of being a citizen of our country.

$1:

CURRENT REGULATIONS REGARDING THE REVOCATION OF CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP

As of 2013, there is only one way a Canadian citizen can lose their citizenship without voluntarily renouncing it and this only applies to naturalized citizens. If you were born in Canada since February 15, 1977 you cannot lose your citizenship, you can only renounce it.

If you were naturalized as a Canadian citizen, the only way your citizenship can be revoked is if you are convicted in court of fraud, and this fraud must have been committed either as part of your application for permanent residence or your application for Canadian citizenship. To learn more about reasons why a Canadian citizen or permanent resident could be investigated for fraud relating to permanent residence or citizenship, read our articles on the residence questionnaires. If the government is able to prove in court that you committed fraud on your permanent residence or citizenship application, then your citizenship may be revoked.

This increased enforcement is part of the recent Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act, which was passed on June 28, 2012. This act amended the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA). Prior to this amendment, it was a lot harder to get your citizenship revoked: only 60 Canadians total had their citizenship revoked between 1976 and 2011 under special provisions in the IRPA. With the new amendment, it is much easier for the government to meet the burden of proof required to get a conviction for immigration fraud.

http://www.immigroup.com/news/can-i-los ... itizenship

So I'm pretty sure I read and understood what I typed and the miscommunication issue might not be caused by my typing skills.

[martin14]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Wow a sudden rush of sympathy to the brain. Who would have thought that the people who specialize in hypocrisy and entitlement would have "softened" their stance to help themselves, their party and their friends out.

Blatantly disgusting. I wonder how they'll spin this away or maybe they'll just come clean and finally admit that they'll do whatever the fuck they please and Canadian laws be damned.

Double standard special laws for Selfie supporters.

Now it's not even expected to tell a minimum of truth to get into Canada,
and to get Canadian citizenship. They hand it out like candy.

Unreal how quickly this government went full corruption.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

that she was a CHILD

Fine. Then you have no problem with stripping the mother of citizenship,
and throwing her out.

[BeaverFever]

No because there

[BeaverFever]

You guys are so desperate it's pathetic. Grasping at straws to be outraged over a MEANINGLESS AND IMMATERIAL discrepancy on a CHILDS refugee application from decades ago. You guys should be embarrassed.