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Title: Secrecy cloaks death of immigration detainee in Toronto jail | Toronto Star
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: shockedcanadian
Date: 2016-03-10 08:02:11
Canadian

[shockedcanadian]

Is secrecy the new bedrock of our "democracy"?

[DrCaleb]

We can't tell you, or we'd have to kill you.

[BartSimpson]

He hanged himself, but the details have to be kept secret.

Which means he didn't hang himself.

[shockedcanadian]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

He hanged himself, but the details have to be kept secret.

Which means he didn't hang himself.

I would guess it has more to do with someone not doing their job properly, and/or not preventing this suicide, assuming they knew about it.

If someone wants to harm themselves, you can't prevent all such incidents. I imagine a hanging is something one can easily see on a monitor for instance.

Most importantly though, this issue of secrecy need to have bounds in this country because it is currently endless.

[BartSimpson]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

I would guess it has more to do with someone not doing their job properly, and/or not preventing this suicide, assuming they knew about it.

If someone wants to harm themselves, you can't prevent all such incidents. I imagine a hanging is something one can easily see on a monitor for instance.

Most importantly though, this issue of secrecy need to have bounds in this country because it is currently endless.

Negligence doesn't require the protection of secrecy.

Murder does.

[andyt]

Yeah, yeah. CCI is now murdering deportees.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Yeah, yeah. CCI is now murdering deportees.

How would you know otherwise?

[andyt]

Jesus. They're covering it up because they'll be accused of negligence, not because they're hanging people who are about to be shipped off anyway. Try to get a grip on your paranoia.

[shockedcanadian]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

I would guess it has more to do with someone not doing their job properly, and/or not preventing this suicide, assuming they knew about it.

If someone wants to harm themselves, you can't prevent all such incidents. I imagine a hanging is something one can easily see on a monitor for instance.

Most importantly though, this issue of secrecy need to have bounds in this country because it is currently endless.

Negligence doesn't require the protection of secrecy.

Murder does.

I think you are naïve if you believe this. They will protect any negligence poor judgement and "bad" members even in the smallest of instances, certainly this serious of an issue would be protected with brute force by those who are only accountable to themselves.

When it comes to the protection of the police in this country, take it from someone who has experienced it first hand, they will go to any and all lengths to protect their own guilty, it's number two on their mandate after increasing budgets. Even if it means stabbing allies and Canadians in the back, they will protect, defend, deflect, lie and stifle any process to accountability and transparency. It has ruined Canada's reputation and democracy like no other.

[ShepherdsDog]

I'm guessing Bart has never been inside of a detention center....or he's projecting.

[andyt]

Well, neither have I, that doesn't make me go for the most out there theory without any evidence whatsoever. We had a suicide in the Vancouver detention center. Same deal, CCI tried to cover it up. The woman was about to be deported to Mexico, to I believe an abusive husband. She had nothing here, but had made a life in Vancouver working illegally. I can understand her dispair, but still think she should be deported.

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I'm guessing Bart has never been inside of a detention center....or he's projecting.

I've worked at a state prison and the deaths that occur there are, by law, public information.

[ShepherdsDog]

They are here too, but there has to be a police investigation and coroner's inquest when in custody deaths occur. The guy died last week, so it could be a few months to a few years before findings are released and recommendations are made. Our systems, although similar, aren't the same.

They had a biker, awaiting a murder trial or prelim(not sure) hang himself in Saskatoon on Friday. He sent a suicide note, and where to find the body of the murder victim(although the accused claimed innocence) to his lawyer the day before. By the time the lawyer opened the letter and read it, the guy was five hours dead. Do you think authorities murdered him too?

[shockedcanadian]

Bart, America is very different, don't even believe how some in Canada compare similarities as if we are both nations of liberty.

In America you have the Constitution, a history of breaking from empires (fighting and beating them for independence), free press (we have state run press a la CBC), strictly adhered to standards of protecting God ordained rights, self determination over centralized control by government, restrictions of police agencies who are overseen and accountable by politicians.

In Canada we have the RCMP...