[Newsbot]

Title: TransCanada's Energy East pipeline target of Quebec injunction
Category: Environmental
Posted By: andyt
Date: 2016-03-01 08:14:46
Canadian

[DrCaleb]

With friends like these. . .

[andyt]

Really? You don't think they should have to abide by provincial laws. Only seems fair to me if you're going to use the provinces' land and expose it to the risk of environmental damage.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Really? You don't think they should have to abide by provincial laws. Only seems fair to me if you're going to use the provinces' land and expose it to the risk of environmental damage.

Of course they should have to.

I'm just frustrated by all these things coming to the forefront years after the original proposition. Why was this not part of the conversation then?

It just looks like they are pulling an Obama and stalling the project till it eventually dies of boredom.

[2Cdo]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Really? You don't think they should have to abide by provincial laws. Only seems fair to me if you're going to use the provinces' land and expose it to the risk of environmental damage.

Of course they should have to.

I'm just frustrated by all these things coming to the forefront years after the original proposition. Why was this not part of the conversation then?

It just looks like they are pulling an Obama and stalling the project till it eventually dies of boredom.

I think the west should just discontinue transfer payments to any province that fights getting oil to market.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Really? You don't think they should have to abide by provincial laws. Only seems fair to me if you're going to use the provinces' land and expose it to the risk of environmental damage.

Of course they should have to.

I'm just frustrated by all these things coming to the forefront years after the original proposition. Why was this not part of the conversation then?

It just looks like they are pulling an Obama and stalling the project till it eventually dies of boredom.

You didn't read the article?

$1:

The Quebec government had previously called on TransCanada to comply with its environmental regulations in letters sent to the company in 2014.

​"Unfortunately, we never received a response to these letters," Heurtel told the news conference.

TransCanada has not replied to Quebec's requests for formal notice, saying Energy East is subject only to federal regulation.

And then companies wonder why they encounter opposition. The days of just being able to ram a project thru seem to be over - you have to obtain some degree of consensus first. It was the same here with Northern Gateway - you can't just expect to ram a pipe thru, we take the environmental risks while the profits go elsewhere.

Just heard about a proposal to ship Ft McMurray bitumen by rail to Alaska. I wonder if rail shipment of bitumen is actually safer than pipeline. The chance of a spill might be larger, but as the proponent pointed out, bitumen just puddles around a train spill, doesn't go anywhere, and the volume of a spill would likely be much less than with a pipe a la Kalamazoo.

[DrCaleb]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I think the west should just discontinue transfer payments to any province that fights getting oil to market.

I'd agree with you, but we don't actually 'write a cheque' and send it to Quebec. People don't know the process that transfers money around between provinces. It's simple, we pay Federal income tax, and the Federal Government spends it where they want. Alberta doesn't really have a say in where it's spent.

It just pisses me off, because this pipeline is one of the easiest to complete because most of it already exists. We could have Quebec off the Saudi fuckers oil inside of a couple years. If there wasn't all the foot dragging!

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

You didn't read the article?

$1:

The Quebec government had previously called on TransCanada to comply with its environmental regulations in letters sent to the company in 2014.

​"Unfortunately, we never received a response to these letters," Heurtel told the news conference.

TransCanada has not replied to Quebec's requests for formal notice, saying Energy East is subject only to federal regulation.

And then companies wonder why they encounter opposition. The days of just being able to ram a project thru seem to be over - you have to obtain some degree of consensus first. It was the same here with Northern Gateway - you can't just expect to ram a pipe thru, we take the environmental risks while the profits go elsewhere.

Yes, and it's true. Federal regulations take precedent. Which provincial regulations will they be subject to that they weren't subject to with the existing pipeline?

andyt andyt:

Just heard about a proposal to ship Ft McMurray bitumen by rail to Alaska. I wonder if rail shipment of bitumen is actually safer than pipeline. The chance of a spill might be larger, but as the proponent pointed out, bitumen just puddles around a train spill, doesn't go anywhere, and the volume of a spill would likely be much less than with a pipe a la Kalamazoo.

I heard that too. I don't know, it sounds like it would be higher volume than a pipeline. And if the route were intended for bitumen, they could make the rail line with Bitumen in mind - heavy rock base, perhaps even some architectural fabric underlay to prevent seepage in the event of a spill . . .

But it can't be cheaper or faster than building a pipeline.

[2Cdo]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I think the west should just discontinue transfer payments to any province that fights getting oil to market.

I'd agree with you, but we don't actually 'write a cheque' and send it to Quebec. People don't know the process that transfers money around between provinces. It's simple, we pay Federal income tax, and the Federal Government spends it where they want. Alberta doesn't really have a say in where it's spent.

It just pisses me off, because this pipeline is one of the easiest to complete because most of it already exists. We could have Quebec off the Saudi fuckers oil inside of a couple years. If there wasn't all the foot dragging!

True enough. I can't remember where I read it but there was a poll that showed over 60% of Quebec wanted Canadian oil refined in Canada versus foreign oil. It would seem to be mainly political dickheads like Coderre who are against it.

[andyt]

A minute ago you said you ageed with the company having to abide by provincial regulations. Now you're taking the same position as the company. Of course that is the current state of affairs, but provinces aren't going to abide by it anymore. Thank Harper for empowering the provinces by having a province rights attitude a la the US. At the same time weakening federal regulations and oversight. People don't trust the feds anymore to do the right thing - vis shutting down the coast guard base in Kits.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

A minute ago you said you ageed with the company having to abide by provincial regulations. Now you're taking the same position as the company.

Because the pipeline already exists! If they aren't abiding by provincial regulations, why does the pipeline exist!?!

I thought that was something of a 'gimme'.

Edit:

I agree that the new portion of the pipeline - from Montreal to New Brunswick, should follow provincial regulations, but what about the part that can be put into service right away?

[andyt]

As I said, the times they are a changing. If the pipeline already exists, just go ahead and reverse it and use it. Oh, wait... Also something of a gimme.

[Thanos]

I'll buy Denis Coderre a Big Mac, and I won't even spit in it, if a single piece of steel for this fucking project gets put in the ground in the next five years.

[andyt]

Thanos Thanos:

I'll buy Denis Coderre a Big Mac, and I won't even spit in it, if a single piece of steel for this fucking project gets put in the ground in the next five years.

Don't be a cheapie. Give him your pickup truck. You'll want to buy a new one when the oil money comes rolling in again.

[Thanos]

To quote Edna Krabapple, HA! It ain't coming back in mine or anyone else's lifetime.