[Newsbot]

Title: Italy police seize nearly 800 guns heading for Belgium
Category: World
Posted By: martin14
Date: 2015-11-27 07:01:14

[martin14]

Interesting.

[DrCaleb]

I'm sure they were all headed to responsible duck hunters who would license them legally.

[andyt]

Well, Belgium has very lax laws around guns, which is why they are the center for both legal and illegal gun trade in Western Europe. Lots of weapons flooded in after the Yugoslavian breakup. They also just allowed the jihadis to fester for decades, in part because it is such a divided country, no strong central government. (No government for how long? A year?) Molonbeek isn't just jihadi central, but crime central in general, and the police just ignored it. Transportation wasn't provided in the area, even less bridges than other places. Government warned people to stay away, so little outside trade was happening. All the Moroccans that were brought in as "guest workers" in the 1960's were laid off in the 1980's, but just allowed to stay with little hope of getting jobs. (The King of Morocco at the time also sent his most troublesome people to be these guest workers). So the place was just allowed to fester and now they are reaping what they sowed.

The US is just very very lucky that the jihadist ideology hasn't taken root in its ghettos. Guess homey don't play that suicide shit.

[uwish]

andyt andyt:

Well, Belgium has very lax laws around guns, which is why they are the center for both legal and illegal gun trade in Western Europe. Lots of weapons flooded in after the Yugoslavian breakup. They also just allowed the jihadis to fester for decades, in part because it is such a divided country, no strong central government. (No government for how long? A year?) Molonbeek isn't just jihadi central, but crime central in general, and the police just ignored it. Transportation wasn't provided in the area, even less bridges than other places. Government warned people to stay away, so little outside trade was happening. All the Moroccans that were brought in as "guest workers" in the 1960's were laid off in the 1980's, but just allowed to stay with little hope of getting jobs. (The King of Morocco at the time also sent his most troublesome people to be these guest workers). So the place was just allowed to fester and now they are reaping what they sowed.

The US is just very very lucky that the jihadist ideology hasn't taken root in its ghettos. Guess homey don't play that suicide shit.

Belgium does not have very lax gun laws...

http://www.vlaamsvredesinstituut.eu/sit ... elgium.pdf

do some reading before spouting BS.

[andyt]

I did. Paris attacks: Belgium’s arms bazaar http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/33a2d592-8dde ... ede9b.html

They may have tightened up, but the laws allowed guns to flood in during the Yugoslavian conflict, giving rise to the illegal gun trade

$1:

However, Belgium is an important player because of its geographical location and history.
For centuries the country has been a major producer and exporter of firearms. Moreover, until 2006 it had quite liberal domestic gun legislation, making the country a European hot spot for the arms trade, including for people with bad intentions.
Even though Belgian legislation is now stricter and more solid, the country has retained this reputation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34871872

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

Well, Belgium has very lax laws around guns, which is why they are the center for both legal and illegal gun trade in Western Europe.

Actually no. A quick Google seems to suggest Belgian gun laws are very strict.



Here's another possibility as to what the problem in Belgium might be.

The Islamization of Belgium and the Netherlands in 2013.

[fifeboy]

Turkey produces lots of sporting shotguns of reasonable quality and good prices. Belgium sells a lot of the same. Doesn't mean these were not being shipped for nefarious reasons, but Turkish side by sides would work better against ruff grouse than armed police.

[BeaverFever]

uwish uwish:

andyt andyt:

Well, Belgium has very lax laws around guns, which is why they are the center for both legal and illegal gun trade in Western Europe. Lots of weapons flooded in after the Yugoslavian breakup. They also just allowed the jihadis to fester for decades, in part because it is such a divided country, no strong central government. (No government for how long? A year?) Molonbeek isn't just jihadi central, but crime central in general, and the police just ignored it. Transportation wasn't provided in the area, even less bridges than other places. Government warned people to stay away, so little outside trade was happening. All the Moroccans that were brought in as "guest workers" in the 1960's were laid off in the 1980's, but just allowed to stay with little hope of getting jobs. (The King of Morocco at the time also sent his most troublesome people to be these guest workers). So the place was just allowed to fester and now they are reaping what they sowed.

The US is just very very lucky that the jihadist ideology hasn't taken root in its ghettos. Guess homey don't play that suicide shit.

Belgium does not have very lax gun laws...

http://www.vlaamsvredesinstituut.eu/sit ... elgium.pdf

do some reading before spouting BS.

I only had time to browse it quickly but I note that the link says gun laws in belgium were ineffective and outdated, the current gun laws only took effect in 2006 and took a long time because of opposition due to an entrenched gun culture and large arms manufacturing industry. And even if the laws are indeed strict now - I didn't read that they are - that's pretty recent. It's not like all of the firearms in circulation suddenly turned into pumpkins when new laws passed.

[andyt]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

It's not like all of the firearms in circulation suddenly turned into pumpkins when new laws passed.

This is the problem the US faces too. Unless they were willing to actually confiscate guns, there are so many in circulation any more strict laws would only have a minor effect. They still should do it, but it would take a long time to have much effect. Same with Belgium.

[andyt]

$1:

"With 500-1,000 euros you can get a military weapon in half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, senior fellow at Brussels think-tank the Itinera Institute, who has studied the spread of radical Islam in Belgium. "That makes Brussels more like a big U.S. city" in mostly gun-free Europe, he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/ ... 4J20151116