[Newsbot]

Title: Rejecting Muslim refugees encourages ISIS, UN refugee head says
Category: Political
Posted By: andyt
Date: 2015-11-23 17:16:21
Canadian

[ccga3359]

Well if they're that close to the tipping point of joining ISIS then we really don't want them. If they realize that they're not wanted because of ISIS then surely they should be taking up arms against ISIS.

[2Cdo]

So ISIS is going to attack Saudi Arabia, UAE, and all the other Gulf muslim countries that aren't taking any "refugees"?

[andyt]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

Well if they're that close to the tipping point of joining ISIS then we really don't want them. If they realize that they're not wanted because of ISIS then surely they should be taking up arms against ISIS.

Comprehension issues again? Nowhere does he say it's refugees that are turning to ISIS, he's talking about Muslims already in the West. It's all part of the larger argument that the more we attack Muslims living in the West, the more we are helping ISIS recruit them.

[ccga3359]

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In fact, Guterres cautions against rejecting Muslim refugees,especially now, warning that ISIS will exploit Western fears to feed its propaganda.

"That is a fantastic argument for them to then try to initiate more people, to recruit more people, saying, 'Look, Muslims are discriminated, Muslims are rejected by the Western world, they are our enemies so if you want to be a true Muslim, join us.'"

Yes he started talking about "home grown terrorist" but this statement is too ambiguous to point to one small faction. It would include refugees. As for attacks on muslims in the west yes there have been a handful spread out over numerous countries and in that same time frame there have been muslim led attacks. Yet thousands of "western" muslims have joined ISIS and not because of these attacks but because they identify with these warped beliefs of ISIS.

[andyt]

The more we push at Muslims, whether that's the sort of crap posted on this site, or refusing refugees just because they are Muslims or actual attacks on Muslims, the more it drives a few Western Muslims (out of the many) into the arms of ISIS. It also gets other Muslims to be less likely to reach out to authorities if they see something suspicious.

[ccga3359]

And maybe it will empower more western muslims to stand up and fight Islamic fundamentalism. (PS the guy in the video is now getting death threats from his fellow western muslims but he doesn't give a fuck he's drawing his line in the sand)

[DanSC]

Are we still using the ridiculous meme that a "trust but verify" refugee policy is the same as turning away all refugees?

andyt andyt:

The more we push at Muslims, whether that's the sort of crap posted on this site, or refusing refugees just because they are Muslims or actual attacks on Muslims, the more it drives a few Western Muslims (out of the many) into the arms of ISIS.

I didn't realize that Western Muslims were so close to committing genocide.

[martin14]

DanSC DanSC:

Are we still using the ridiculous meme that a "trust but verify" refugee policy is the same as turning away all refugees?

andyt andyt:

The more we push at Muslims, whether that's the sort of crap posted on this site, or refusing refugees just because they are Muslims or actual attacks on Muslims, the more it drives a few Western Muslims (out of the many) into the arms of ISIS.

I didn't realize that Western Muslims were so close to committing genocide.

Yes, andy thinks they are a very dangerous bunch, very violent, so we must spend
more and more money appeasing them.

[N_Fiddledog]

ISIS is Islam. It is what's in the book. The moderate middle only remains moderate until they actually learn and follow what's in the book. When our spineless pussy leaders allow ISIS to appear strong they encourage the more apathetic adherents of their manual for dark ages barbarity called the Koran to pay attention and follow the example of their slaving, torturing, rapist, pedophile, warlord leader. That's what radicalizes the middle. It isn't anything we're doing.

You wanna talk about the majority? The majority of us are freaking saints of tolerance and restraint regarding the Islamic menace. Each one of us deserves a freaking medal. We're not the problem. Here's the problem.

[BeaverFever]

If so why does ISIS number only 30,000 or less instead of 1.6 billion? Or are you not good at math?

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

If so why does ISIS number only 30,000 or less instead of 1.6 billion? Or are you not good at math?

I can show you why, but I have to beat my way through the programming in what's left of your mind. I'm not sure I can do that, but because I'm a sympathetic sort I'll try. I'll need visual aids, I think, because this is going to be tough.

I've shown you and your fellow pod people this one before but I doubt your programming would allow you to click it so I'll just present it then tell you what's in it.



Now in that one Bill Whittle uses this thing we of the real world who refuse to ignore the obvious call history to show you how the moderate middle is radicalized. It is not done by inflicting microaggressions on a victim group and intruding on their safe spaces.

It is done by convincing the moderate middle that the aggressors are actually the power even though they are in reality the minority. Bill uses the example of the Nazis who began with a minority of 9%, but were able to goose step and thug their way over the appeasers in charge to appear to be the real power. This continued until they radicalized the middle and finally took over to poll at 98% approval.

And 9% is about where the approval rate of what you would call radical Islam and I would call Islam stands in Europe at the moment. In the video above Whittle introduces you to the psychological process that allows that figure to grow.

How we know that figure is going to grow is among other things, history. And not just history we can watch it happening around the world as we speak.

For 1400 years the aggressive ideology of Islam has been exploiting societies as they weaken. We are weakening and they will aggress. It's almost a biological certainty.

This is how they will do it. First the demographic of the eventual aggressors is grown within.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtgUURsUydk

So why hasn't it happened yet, you ask? It is happening. It's a process and you're soaking in it.

The demographic grows within, and at first makes demands only based on victimhood. As it grows the moderate middle gets overwhelmed and the demands become steadily more forceful. At the same time there is a kind of fifth column movement that works within the target civilization.

At the Holy Land Foundation trial in 2008 a document was presented by the Muslim Brotherhood explaining the process that was about to take place:

The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. […] It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is…

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.ca/2010/0 ... house.html

We will be weakened from within as the Barbarians outside shake their spears, murder the innocent and scream Allahu Akbar. Meanwhile our spineless pussy leaders shiver and tremble and prepare to open the gates. It's a process. It's historical, and it's obvious to anybody who wants to open their eyes and see it.

But no, what you want to do is worry about some armageddon of melting polar bears or something, because some nimrod imagined it in a computer, and your life programmers tell you that means you're the smart ones. And they shake their heads and instruct that you should not be distracted by reality.

Good luck with that.

[ShepherdsDog]

http://barrie.ctvnews.ca/mobile/video?c ... tPageNum=1

Looks like they are forcing our troops out of their quarters to make room for the refugees. They are being told they are going to be moved, but not where and they've only been given about three days notice. This will really go over like a fart in a diving helmet.

[BartSimpson]

$1:

Rejecting Muslim refugees encourages ISIS, UN refugee head says

Just like shooting rapists in the nutsack encourages them.

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

If so why does ISIS number only 30,000

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights estimates that ISIS\ISIL has more like 80,000 to 100,000 direct members and they also estimate that there are a total of as many as 200,000 fighters aligned with ISIS\ISIL but who are members of other groups.

Keep in mind that the 'official' Western estimates of ISIS\ISIL strength have been deliberately underestimated in Pentagon reports due to the political influence of the Obama Administration. This is a growing scandal in the US right now that even President Obama has acknowledged has substance to it (meaning it's not something you can just dismiss out of hand as you are wont to do.)

The 80,000 to 100,000 figure makes much more sense from a logistical point of view. A force of only 30,000 or so would be spread dangerously thin across the entire territory held by ISIS\ISIL and their positions would become untenable forcing them to withdraw to concentrate force.

ISI\ISIL is primarily an infantry force that is augmented with pickup truck mounted heavy machine guns and patently ineffective anti-aircraft guns. While they do have some armor that they've captured they lack the skills and the spare parts to keep that armor operational. They have no airpower at all. Meaning that they lack the force multipliers of armor and air support and are therefore not at all comparable to Western forces.

A Western force of 30,000 is significant due to their force multipliers.

An ISIS\ISIL force of 30,000 would be at best a provincial militia. Meaning the 80k to 100k estimate is far more arguable given the territory those forces have to maintain.