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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:34 am
Don't worry about how many times youve heard this story. Just think of it as a random isolated incident that occurs everywhere all the time.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:42 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever: Don't worry about how many times youve heard this story. Just think of it as a random isolated incident that occurs everywhere all the time. My experience on the kill floor was no different, perhaps even worse - decades ago. Nothing like watching a pig get beaten to death with a 2X4 while listening to Judas Priest "Painkiller". It's where hot dogs come from!
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:43 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever: Don't worry about how many times youve heard this story. Just think of it as a random isolated incident that occurs everywhere all the time. You mean just like one of those 30,000 or so isolated incidents over the past decade that have nothing at all to do with Islam?
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:47 am
And almost every rape in human history that has nothing to do with men, and every shooting that has nothing to do with guns.
I knew that was going to be your post?
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:50 am
I don't think manually beating livestock with lumber is the most cost-effective way to run a slaughterhouse.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:54 am
Temple Grandin showed how feedlots could increase their profits by treating the animals more humanely. I think the same would be true for slaughterhouses - instead of pushing the workers to push the animals, get somebody in who can make the whole process go more smoothly and with less stress on the animals. Win all around.
I've seen it over and over where a push for production actually slows things down because of accidents or mishaps, when calming down and doing things in a more thought out manner ultimately yields better results. So many businesses are stupid that way.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:14 am
DanSC DanSC: I don't think manually beating livestock with lumber is the most cost-effective way to run a slaughterhouse. I think that was the workers just having their shits and giggles. And punishment for those hogs who don't obey verbal instructions.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:15 am
andyt andyt: Temple Grandin showed how feedlots could increase their profits by treating the animals more humanely. I think the same would be true for slaughterhouses - instead of pushing the workers to push the animals, get somebody in who can make the whole process go more smoothly and with less stress on the animals. Win all around.
I've seen it over and over where a push for production actually slows things down because of accidents or mishaps, when calming down and doing things in a more thought out manner ultimately yields better results. So many businesses are stupid that way. Temple Grandin wrote about making the slaughterhouses more humane, too. I read her books and applied some of her ideas to our pet chicken and in my unofficial testing found that Grandin's ideas were spot on. In particular, animals don't like going into dark places. Turn on a light and they'll enter without hesitation.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:17 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: andyt andyt: Temple Grandin showed how feedlots could increase their profits by treating the animals more humanely. I think the same would be true for slaughterhouses - instead of pushing the workers to push the animals, get somebody in who can make the whole process go more smoothly and with less stress on the animals. Win all around.
I've seen it over and over where a push for production actually slows things down because of accidents or mishaps, when calming down and doing things in a more thought out manner ultimately yields better results. So many businesses are stupid that way. Temple Grandin wrote about making the slaughterhouses more humane, too. I read her books and applied some of her ideas to our pet chicken and in my unofficial testing found that Grandin's ideas were spot on. In particular, animals don't like going into dark places. Turn on a light and they'll enter without hesitation. Her TED talk is inspiring too! https://www.ted.com/talks/temple_grandi ... anguage=en
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:26 am
"beating, dragging and slitting the throats of live animals."
Poor little piggies. I thought they would be safe from that sort of treatment. Not being Halal.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:01 pm
Seems to be the kind of job that is highly attractive to the kind of sadist that enjoys doing such things. Most of them would be the kind of low-wage worker who's doing it just for the money because they have no other choice, but there'd certainly be a sprinkling in there of a few true monsters getting off on it. $1: "In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is a holocaust, an eternal Treblinka."
“The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; that's the essence of inhumanity.”
- Issac Bashevis Singer
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:03 pm
Thanos Thanos: $1: "In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is a holocaust, an eternal Treblinka."
“The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; that's the essence of inhumanity.”
- Issac Bashevis Singer
If people knew where their food came from, they wouldn't eat it. Pigs are bad, because they know death, they know what is coming at the front of that line. But chicken farming is still rated the most cruel. 
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:29 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever: DanSC DanSC: I don't think manually beating livestock with lumber is the most cost-effective way to run a slaughterhouse. I think that was the workers just having their shits and giggles. And punishment for those hogs who don't obey verbal instructions. Ugh, can't they just burn cars instead like good hockey fans?
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:33 pm
After moving to Manitoba, I grew up helping to hand raise most of what we ate. Chickens, turkeys, cattle and pigs. It was my dad's way of dealing with the human scum he dealt with on a daily basis in corrections. There was no 'cruelty' involved in their butchering. The steer or heifer chosen would be separated and led off away from the other animals. It was easy, as they only associated us with food and scratches. The same went for the butcher sows and barrows. BANG......that was it. It was a lot different then the abattoir...there they were lined up and saw what was coming(a steel bolt to the skull), and their terror was palpable. Our turkeys were free range, and the chickens half barn and half free range. Their butcher was quick and efficient, as we had a foot operated guillotine like set up
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