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Title: After years of declining crime, a spike in city violence
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2015-07-12 01:53:18

[andyt]

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In Milwaukee and Chicago, police chiefs point to what they see as woefully inadequate gun laws that allow people who are repeatedly arrested on weapons charges to win release from custody — often around the same time the police officers are completing the paperwork on the arrest.

"Career criminals with misdemeanor convictions for possession of a firearm can qualify for concealed carry permits," said Milwaukee's chief, Edward Flynn.

In Chicago, the widespread gun violence — more than 500 homicides in 2012 and more than 400 in each of the last two years — has saddled the city with the moniker "Chiraq," which is also the working title of a Spike Lee movie now being filmed.

Meanwhile, the city has suffered legal losses in its efforts to keep guns out of the hands of residents and seen its attempts to stiffen gun laws thwarted by state lawmakers.

A frustrated Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said the laws are so toothless that gang members are more worried about being beaten up by their gangs for losing a gun than going before a judge after being caught with one.

In the first quarter, police arrested 688 people for illegal firearms. By April 1, 60 percent of those people were already back on the street, McCarthy said.

[N_Fiddledog]

But wait...

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In Milwaukee and Chicago, police chiefs point to what they see as woefully inadequate gun laws that allow people who are repeatedly arrested on weapons charges to win release from custody

you say?

So the laws are there then. They're just inadequately enforced. Perps are arrested. Then they're let go.

Chicago is famous for having the toughest gun laws in the country.

[N_Fiddledog]

So if it isn't gun laws, responsible for this Detroitifying of large cities and running them into crime-riddled sewers, what could the cause possibly be?

Let's put on our thinking beanies and give it some thought. Hmmm...

Well, in Chicago I know the mayor used to be Obama's chief advisor.

I wonder if we go through those listed problem cities, if we won't find some common bonds in the way they are administered and who is responsible for the administration.

Because according to the obvious conclusion reading between the lines (which is what one must do in an article from the New York Times), it's not the law it's the administration of the law that's the problem.

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But wait...

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In Milwaukee and Chicago, police chiefs point to what they see as woefully inadequate gun laws that allow people who are repeatedly arrested on weapons charges to win release from custody

you say?

So the laws are there then. They're just inadequately enforced. Perps are arrested. Then they're let go.

Chicago is famous for having the toughest gun laws in the country.

There are laws. Laws that don't keep people in jail. The laws are enforced, ie the police arrest, but because the laws are weak the judges have to let people back on the street. That's how I read it.

Toughest laws in the country doesn't mean much if the whole country has weak laws.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

There are laws. Laws that don't keep people in jail. The laws are enforced, ie the police arrest, but because the laws are weak the judges have to let people back on the street. That's how I read it.

Toughest laws in the country doesn't mean much if the whole country has weak laws.

In Illinois there was a supreme court decision in 2013 allowing people to conceal/carry with certain restrictions.

However if you conceal/carry without a license, "the penalty is a class 3 felony, punishable by two to five years imprisonment, a fine of up to $25,000, or both"

That's just conceal/carry. We're going to assume there all sorts of gun restrictions in Chicago in order for it to earn it's tough gun law rep.

Didn't they also mention New York. New York, as you know, is currently being run by an admitted Socialist.

[N_Fiddledog]

Just for the Hell of it then let's go through the list of cities the NY Times mentions as having crime spike problems. We'll do it by Mayors and see if there are any common bonds between them.

So we're talking about...

Rahh Emanuel: Chicago - Democratic Party

Bill De Blasio: New York - Democratic Party

Stephani Rawlings-Blake: Baltimore - Democratic Party

Francis G. Slay: St. Louis - Democratic Party

Annise Parker: Houston - Democratic Party

Mitch Landrieu: New Orleans - Democratic Party

[N_Fiddledog]

raydan raydan:

I don't get what the problem is for Chicago...

Exactly where is this spike?

2008: 513
2009: 459
2010: 436
2011: 435
2012: 516
2013: 441
2014: 432

That is a puzzler isn't it. Especially when you're always reading about things like this...

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Gun violence plagues Chicago. There were more than 2,000 shootings in the city last year alone. The shootings increase in the summer months: over the holiday weekend, dozens of people were shot and nine died in the gunfire.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/chicag ... ce-n386411

Maybe the spike would be in shootings rather than Homicides. In fact, that's what the Huffington post claims.

Homicides Drop, But Shootings Rise As Chicago Still Struggles With Guns And Violence

The Economist claims stats have been manipulated in Chicago.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... cs-chicago

[PluggyRug]

Where's Elliot Ness when you need him.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's an interesting blog.

http://heyjackass.com/category/2015-chi ... der-stats/

It offers a ton of claimed crime stats for Chicago.

The stats don't contradict Ray's Wikipedia graph however they show more. They show the years during which there was that crazy rise in homicide stats and the years they tended to trend crazy high, Chicago was run by the Daleys - Richard M and Richard J - both Democrats

So no matter what we choose to believe concerning the stats and where they come from my hypothesis of a connection to political administration is consistently supported.