[Newsbot]

Title: High risk that new navy supply ships won't get built: documents
Category: Political
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2015-06-24 13:08:18
Canadian

[Nuggie77]

What a load of crap. This so called reporter obviously cherry picked the one item in the risk matrix that looked sensational. Every project ever created will have lack of qualified labour on its risk matrix, because it is always a possibility.

[BartSimpson]

Hell, when the plans for these ships were published I recall posting on CKA that I didn't expect them to be built.

My comment at the time was to the effect that you can't defend Canada with the navy you're always just PLANNING to build.

[martin14]

High risk ?

No,it's guaranteed.

[DrCaleb]

It's ok, we can refit some container ships to meet the need.

[Hyack]

Yeah, if they retrofit one or two vessels as stopgap supply ships sooner or later they'll decide the stopgap ships are good enough for now so why waste more money to replace them with new ships....let the next government worry about it.....

.....Welcome to Canada in the 21st century.....

[Public_Domain]

[bootlegga]

Given that none of the three main political parties give a damn about the armed forces, I was already skeptical that these would ever get built. If the Conservatives get re-elected there's a chance they will get built, but I doubt the Liberals will care and if the NDP get elected, they almost certainly will NOT be built because many Dippers hate the military.

[Canadian_Mind]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Given that none of the three main political parties give a damn about the armed forces, I was already skeptical that these would ever get built. If the Conservatives get re-elected there's a chance they will get built, but I doubt the Liberals will care and if the NDP get elected, they almost certainly will NOT be built because many Dippers hate the military.

I'm not so sure about this. Under Layton the platform called for a minor increase in spending over then 2008 & 2011 levels. However, most of that would go to things that we need for self defence, not offence. So I believe we would have had supply ships under Layton, just not supply ships with battle group transport capabilities (like the ships we are slated to build).

Not sure about under Mulclair though.

[bootlegga]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Given that none of the three main political parties give a damn about the armed forces, I was already skeptical that these would ever get built. If the Conservatives get re-elected there's a chance they will get built, but I doubt the Liberals will care and if the NDP get elected, they almost certainly will NOT be built because many Dippers hate the military.

I'm not so sure about this. Under Layton the platform called for a minor increase in spending over then 2008 & 2011 levels. However, most of that would go to things that we need for self defence, not offence. So I believe we would have had supply ships under Layton, just not supply ships with battle group transport capabilities (like the ships we are slated to build).

Not sure about under Mulclair though.

I wasn't very clear, but that's because I'm doing this on my phone and not the laptop and find typing long replies a pain in the ass.

Maybe they don't hate the CAF, but a fair number do hate the reason they exist (to fight and kill).

The defence policy from the Dippers has always to get rid of our alliances and divest ourselves of ant sort of offensive military capabilites (since the 1980s anyways).

There is no real need for the JSS if the armed forces were converted to the peacekeeping and coastal patrol force the Dippers want.

[smorgdonkey]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

you can't defend Canada with the navy you're always just PLANNING to build.

That's the Cons' rouse...tell everyone that you are intent on defending the nation and creating a more secure environment but blow most of the money on consultation and big ads on TV. By the time that the people who voted them in realize that they have been hood-winked, it no longer matters and someone else has to deal with the stuff that nobody got built yet.

9 years in power and all they have done is take stuff away from working people while delivering nothing.

[PluggyRug]

What "stuff" would that be?