[Newsbot]

Title: Ont. court acquits John Salmon, 75, in 1970 manslaughter case
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2015-06-22 11:50:23
Canadian

[shockedcanadian]

Hey just another guys life ruined to the all knowing all trusting security apparatus.

In the last year alone we have the RCMP facing a major class action lawsuit by upwards of 400 female Mouties, we have the OPP union charged with fraud, this AFTER they interfered with the Ontario provincial election by encouraging the public to not for for a particular party. We will soon have C-51 which gives even more powers to RCMP and CSIS without accountability and on almost a weekly basis we have another disturbing story of abuse; someone who was charged or did time for a crime he is exonerated from (and of course, no detectives or police held accountable for the massive abuse they engaged in).

When I hear terms such as "due process", "trust", "rule of law" and so forth being tossed around in Canada I have to think some people don't read or watch the news. Let's start with some consequences to those in positions of power who's feet are never held to the fire for the harm they caused. If these abuses are going on today, one can only imagine how rampant they were before the communication/internet age.

[BartSimpson]

What? How can this be? I have it on good authority from someone on CKA that THE POLICE ARE ALWAYS RIGHT!!! How DARE anyone question that wisdom!!!

[BartSimpson]

Police, coroner, prosecution: Same shit, different wrapper.

[BartSimpson]

Regina Regina:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Police, coroner, prosecution: Same shit, different wrapper.

Nope not even close. In fact the defence lawyers laid blame squarely on the feet of the coroner. He declared it murder.

And the police ended their investigation and the prosecutor ran with it.



Mrs. Bart (a very clever woman that no one should piss off) once told me that if she ever really, really wanted to f*ck me over then she'd just walk away from the house someday and not come back.

She'd leave her purse, her phone, and everything behind.



...and then let the police do the rest.


Oddly, someone made a story like that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_Girl_(film)

[shockedcanadian]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Regina Regina:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Police, coroner, prosecution: Same shit, different wrapper.

Nope not even close. In fact the defence lawyers laid blame squarely on the feet of the coroner. He declared it murder.

And the police ended their investigation and the prosecutor ran with it.



Mrs. Bart (a very clever woman that no one should piss off) once told me that if she ever really, really wanted to f*ck me over then she'd just walk away from the house someday and not come back.

She'd leave her purse, her phone, and everything behind.



...and then let the police do the rest.


Oddly, someone made a story like that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_Girl_(film)

Sad but unfortunately all too true statement. Saw that movie too, real gut wrenching and definitely maintained my attention, suspenseful and powerful.

For the record I advise you to stay on the good side of your wife

[BartSimpson]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

For the record I advise you to stay on the good side of your wife

Sound advice!

[Thanos]

There's no real evidence of police & prosecutor malice here. Just different coroner opinions separated by decades. By the standards of the time, and even most of the time today, it was what appeared to be a lethal wife-beating that resulted in death. 99 times out of a hundred I'd bet a jury today would come to the same conclusion. A mistake in hindsight, but certainly not an act of corruption or police malfeasance.

[shockedcanadian]

Thanos Thanos:

There's no real evidence of police & prosecutor malice here. Just different coroner opinions separated by decades. By the standards of the time, and even most of the time today, it was what appeared to be a lethal wife-beating that resulted in death. 99 times out of a hundred I'd bet a jury today would come to the same conclusion. A mistake in hindsight, but certainly not an act of corruption or police malfeasance.

Here is the problem, and why there is such an uproar against authority abuses in Canada. In the 150 years of Canadian existence how many prosecutors, politicians, police, spies, detectives have gone to prison for ruining the life of a citizen? Sometimes through deliberate malice, other times by wanton disregard for basic premises.

[andyt]

Regina Regina:

Corner convicted him and coroners exonerated him. The rest is gibrish.

Coroners can't convict, and the prosecution should be doing their own investigation. Of course if the pathologist was somebody like that guy in Ontario (name escapes me) he would have given the prosecution whatever he thought they wanted.

People think forensics are hard core evidence, like CSI, but there is a lot that forensics can't establish but they still sit in court and maintain they are 100% certain of their findings.

[andyt]

Coroners use "homicide"

$1:

But “homicide” in this context doesn’t mean what you think. It’s one of five categories medical examiners use to label causes of death and it indicates that “someone’s intentional actions led to the death of another person,” says Gregory G. Davis, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners. The other four labels are suicide, accident, natural, and undetermined, Davis says.

So in a medical examiner’s report “homicide” just means one person intentionally did something that led to the death of someone else. It doesn’t mean the death was intentional and it doesn’t mean it was a crime.

The story certainly says nothing about the coroner's ruling.

Basically it seems to just be a case of pathologists disagreeing with one another. Unless the pathologist was malicious (like that guy, Smith?) I don't really see anybody did anything wrong here.

[andyt]

I certainly agree. As I said, not just medical, but forensic science.

[Lemmy]

Children and grandkids think he was rightly convicted. Drunk as fuck, both of 'em, and arguing...pushed her down the goddamn stairs.

Yeah, wrongful conviction because you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt. We need that standard. But this guy wasn't wrongly convicted, in any karmic sense.