[Newsbot]

Title: Sexual-assault program cut rape rate in half
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: andyt
Date: 2015-06-11 07:48:46
Canadian

[andyt]

Very sensible, but how soon before the cries of blaming the victim start?

[BartSimpson]

$1:

Five per cent of freshman women who went through the four-session program said they had been raped during the following year

Either the school has a very broad definition of rape or else they have a major problem and they need to involve outside law enforcement because the school's law enforcement just ain't cutting it.

[andyt]

Or, that's actually a low number and on average it's much higher.

[N_Fiddledog]

It's interesting that the complex survey part of this trial only appears to have been given after the course was completed.

Sounds like they ask these girls if they've been raped, then they give them this course that helps them define specific sorts of assault. Then they take this survey that defines the splits, after which the administrators decide what rape is and oh look, more social science magic. "Turns out the results we got are exactly what we were looking for." Isn't it amazing how often that happens in the social sciences?

But did they stop rapes or did they teach a small group how to redefine it.

Do you know who Emma Sulkowicz is? Mattress Girl?

It's starting to look more and more like she wasn't so much raped as given a faulty definition of rape by her third wave feminist, first year college, womens studies teachers. You have to watch her horrible porn flic re-enactment to get it, but basically what she's calling rape, others (sane people, for example) might call unsatisfactory, consensual sex. And that's if it actually happened.

[andyt]

Pick your nits all you want. If a course focuses on what women can do to prevent rape, ie putting some onus on them instead of just demanding men change, and women who took that course report less rape, that's a good thing, no matter how you want to slice it. It's saying that women have a role to play in preventing rape, which is usually just labelled victim blaming.

[N_Fiddledog]

Bad science is not a nit, but it's interesting that you think it is. And is it victim blaming, or faulty victim claiming?

However if they think they can actually stop rapes they should go for it. Except, who are they going to ask to pay for it? If its taxpayers we'll require better evidence than a Mickey Mouse social science study.

[andyt]

I'll gladly pay my share. It establishes that women have a role to play in not being raped, and reduces the claims of "rape culture." Those are good things.

[N_Fiddledog]

If all they're doing is redefining rape I'm not sure I see the victim.

But you go ahead and pay what you feel is your fair share of supporting rape redefining services. It's only a problem when you demand others share in your delusion.

Inventing a term like "rape culture" does not make a thing magically exist. When you guys finally take over, you should get yourselves a Department of Chimeras.

[andyt]

You either don't know how to read, or are just stuck in reflexive reg(ressive) correctness mode. Have fun with your shadow boxing.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

You either don't know how to read, or just argue for the sake of it. You're trying to hang things on my that I'm not saying. You really can't seem to be able to see thru the haze of your rightwing correctness.

The problem there is sometimes you say things that are so nutty I can't believe you didn't make some kind of typo. I have to guess what you actually mean.

For example when you say you want people to pay to "reduce the claims of rape culture" what on earth are you talking about? What is this "rape culture" thing you either think you see, or think others see? If it's you who sees it, what is it? If it's others why should we pay them to invent a problem then offer themselves as the solution.