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Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:32 pm
$1: The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic Well Duh, if wasn't anti Islamic there'd be no point in passing the law, would there. 
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:41 pm
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: $1: The Texas Senate last night passed and sent to Gov. Greg Abbott a measure that would prevent any 'international law' from being used in Texas civil courts, a bill many detractors say is Islamaphobic Well Duh, if wasn't anti Islamic there'd be no point in passing the law, would there.  Dam I need to move back to San Antonio TX  . On second thought my USCG Det. is heading to Texas the 1st thru 2nd to assist in SAR and disaster response. Where giving a bit of relief to our Corpus Christi Station, so they can assist Houston. We may also the USAF between Austin and San Antonio on the 3rd.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 3:32 am
and muslims wonder why they're so depised...instead of integrating with our society they have to bring their shithole over here
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:18 am
Keep tilting at windmills Texas!
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:05 am
I wonder if they realize that this excludes the bible as well..
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:12 am
xerxes xerxes: I wonder if they realize that this excludes the bible as well.. As well as Voodoo and certain forms of Witchcraft. Really, was there ever a danger of these being used instead of Texas law?
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:33 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: xerxes xerxes: I wonder if they realize that this excludes the bible as well.. As well as Voodoo and certain forms of Witchcraft. Really, was there ever a danger of these being used instead of Texas law? I wonder how many Europeans thought the same thing.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:44 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9: DrCaleb DrCaleb: xerxes xerxes: I wonder if they realize that this excludes the bible as well.. As well as Voodoo and certain forms of Witchcraft. Really, was there ever a danger of these being used instead of Texas law? I wonder how many Europeans thought the same thing. Europe is using Shaira law now? I must have missed that memo.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 7:02 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9: DrCaleb DrCaleb: Really, was there ever a danger of these being used instead of Texas law? I wonder how many Europeans thought the same thing. Europe is using Shaira law now? I must have missed that memo. It's estimated that Britain alone has some 85 sharia courts in operation. In Belgium, a radical Muslim group called Sharia4Belgium recently established an Islamic Sharia law court in Antwerp. Leaders of the group say the purpose of the court is to create a parallel Islamic legal system in Belgium in order to challenge the state's authority as enforcer of the civil law protections guaranteed by the Belgian constitution. Sharia4Belgium says the court in Antwerp will eventually expand its remit and handle criminal cases as well. A German legal expert and former investigative journalist for ARD German public television, says Islamic Sharia courts are now operating in all of Germany's big cities. This "parallel justice system" is undermining the rule of law in Germany, Wagner says, because Muslim arbiters-cum-imams are settling criminal cases out of court without the involvement of German prosecutors or lawyers before law enforcement can bring the cases to a German court. Those are just 3 examples.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 7:13 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9: DrCaleb DrCaleb: PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9: I wonder how many Europeans thought the same thing. Europe is using Shaira law now? I must have missed that memo. It's estimated that Britain alone has some 85 sharia courts in operation. In Belgium, a radical Muslim group called Sharia4Belgium recently established an Islamic Sharia law court in Antwerp. Leaders of the group say the purpose of the court is to create a parallel Islamic legal system in Belgium in order to challenge the state's authority as enforcer of the civil law protections guaranteed by the Belgian constitution. Sharia4Belgium says the court in Antwerp will eventually expand its remit and handle criminal cases as well. A German legal expert and former investigative journalist for ARD German public television, says Islamic Sharia courts are now operating in all of Germany's big cities. This "parallel justice system" is undermining the rule of law in Germany, Wagner says, because Muslim arbiters-cum-imams are settling criminal cases out of court without the involvement of German prosecutors or lawyers before law enforcement can bring the cases to a German court. Those are just 3 examples. I imagine that sort of behaviour isn't going to be tolerated for long. Wouldn't be the first time Muslims were run out of Europe. But . . Texas?
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 7:23 am
I don't see the problem with this law. It may just be frivolous, but it sends a clear message. Now if they just live up to that message. $1: "It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said. That's the part I don't care for. Double standard? $1: There have been instances of judges whose jurisdiction includes tightly knit religious communities, like the Amish in Ohio and Pennsylvania, the FLDS in Arizona and Utah, and the Hasidic Jews in New York City, agreeing, with the consent of all parties, to allow religious precepts to be used in court decisions on issues like divorce and child support.
In New York City, Jewish communities are occasionally allowed to establish their own Rabbinical courts to decide family law matters. The danger with courts like this is that women can be forced to participate against their own best interests. And especially worrying is child support and custody. We have laws with real teeth in them for support - these religious courts will likely be way too biased towards the husbands, to the possible detriment of the kids. Have no courts other than the secular ones we have now (which is why don't allow 10 commandments to be posted), or at the very least make our secular courts sign off on any decision made by a religious court. But what I don't see is how Jews deciding divorce according to their religion is no big deal to people, but letting Muslims do the same thing is the beginning of the Goetterdaemmerung.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 7:54 am
andyt andyt: I don't see the problem with this law. It may just be frivolous, but it sends a clear message. Now if they just live up to that message. $1: "It's just to provide some belt and suspenders to make sure that, with judicial discretion, we don't trump Texas law, American law, with a foreign law regarding family law," Campbell said. That's the part I don't care for. Double standard? $1: There have been instances of judges whose jurisdiction includes tightly knit religious communities, like the Amish in Ohio and Pennsylvania, the FLDS in Arizona and Utah, and the Hasidic Jews in New York City, agreeing, with the consent of all parties, to allow religious precepts to be used in court decisions on issues like divorce and child support.
In New York City, Jewish communities are occasionally allowed to establish their own Rabbinical courts to decide family law matters. The danger with courts like this is that women can be forced to participate against their own best interests. And especially worrying is child support and custody. We have laws with real teeth in them for support - these religious courts will likely be way too biased towards the husbands, to the possible detriment of the kids. Have no courts other than the secular ones we have now (which is why don't allow 10 commandments to be posted), or at the very least make our secular courts sign off on any decision made by a religious court. But what I don't see is how Jews deciding divorce according to their religion is no big deal to people, but letting Muslims do the same thing is the beginning of the Goetterdaemmerung. Because Jewish law when it comes to divorce isn't nearly as messed up as sharia law is. Women actually have RIGHTS in the Jewish courts. Yes, women can be forced to participate against their own best interests, but guess what there sport-o, so can men, and they have. Have you ever heard of a single sharia case where the decision came down in favour of the woman? I sure haven't. Although I do agree with you in principle, there should only be ONE arbiter of the law in Canada and that's our own secular court system. Courts based on religious "law" have no place in Western society.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:01 am
You must be very well informed. I've never heard of one decision that any religious court has made. But I do know that the Hasidim can be very restrictive of women, so I very much doubt that women's interests are properly looked after in their courts. And that would mean that children's interests are also neglected. As I say, if they want their courts, they should at least be signed off by our secular courts to make sure everything is on the up and up.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:09 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Europe is using Shaira law now? I must have missed that memo. When people get arrested and prosecuted for 'hate speech' because they say something the goat f*cking followers of the false prophet don't like then that's Sharia Law.
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