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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:56 pm
 


Title: Ontario withdraws charges against homeless woman who built her own cabin
Category: Provincial Politics
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2015-03-19 16:46:41
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The Crown is of the view that it is not in the public interest to proceed with these charges. In this case the public expense of a lengthy trial does not appear to be justified when weighed against the gravity of the offence.


Common sense and the almighty dollar finally bring these bureaucrats to their senses! Too bad it took so long.


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Until some future government sells the land to a mining or logging interest. Or some developer wants to build a fly-in resort. Then she's screwed.

I didn't know you could even get a permit to build a home on crown land. I thought squatters are squatters and have no rights. Best they just leave it alone though


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:24 pm
 


Hey, I was new to farming, I was told that if planted small finger vibraters they would grow into full grown dildos, they grew quite well and now I have trouble with squatters.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:29 am
 


It's good to see some common sense prevail, for a change. I'm sick and tired of the officious.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:13 am
 


Similar story from BC from a few years back. Doesn't look like it had a happy ending though. I guess technically nobody has a right to build on land they don't own but the government should probably wait until they have a reason to start enforcing the law in some of these cases.

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Squatters face eviction from Crown land

It has taken Tony Smith two years to build his cabin.

By The Vancouver Sun August 26, 2009



It has taken Tony Smith two years to build his cabin.

He dragged the logs from the bush with a yoke and the strength of his legs. Then he and his wife Judy lifted each one of the 1,000-pound beasts into place with an old boat winch.

For the couple, the cabin will be a massive improvement from the nine-by-12-foot canvas-wall prospector's tent they have lived in on Greenstone Mountain for the past two years.

"It will be nice to have a wall that doesn't move," Smith said, looking every bit the proud craftsman. "This is my home."

But it sits on Crown land.

Smith said it was like being kicked in the chest when two government workers showed up Sunday evening and told him he had 30 days to tear it down.

The two officials, a conservation officer and a compliance officer with B.C.'s Integrated Land Management Bureau, rolled in and told them someone had complained about their setup. They told the Smiths they would also have to pull up their tent.

"They were civil," Smith said. "He said it was policy. He said we couldn't be here. That's all he would say, that's all he ever said.

"It's policy."

It's a long path that led Tony, 63, and Judy, 53, to the small landing off the Dairy Lake forest service road 14 kilometres up Greenstone Mountain, southwest of Kamloops.

They married 17 years ago and have lived and worked in a number of B.C. communities. He's a mechanic by trade and she has worked in various fields, including social work.

Several years ago, Judy's health deteriorated -- Tony describes her as a "fragile diabetic" who struggles daily to maintain her blood sugar levels -- and she couldn't work any more.

He said the stress of trying to keep a job and look after his wife at the same time was too much. He chose to stay at home to care for her, as he could not afford to pay for a home nurse.

The couple did their best to live on Judy's disability pension but after rent and utilities, there was nothing left.

After a couple of years of living poorly, Tony said he "started looking." He cruised the backcountry until he found the overgrown road leading into the trees to the small knoll overlooking the valley below.

There, he and Judy staked out the prospector tent with its canvas walls and wood stove.

They laid down a wooden floor and started cutting firewood.

"I asked myself, 'What can I do to make sure I had heat and a reasonably clean place to live,'" he said. "I've worked in the bush before. I've lived like this."

Without rent to pay, the couple's income goes further. The money is tight and requires careful managing, but both say they have just enough to get by.

It's tough living, especially in the winter. They have to shovel their 500 metres of road to the main road by hand, so Tony can get his old Ford truck out to town to get supplies once a month.

But Judy says her health has improved, although she can't explain why. Maybe it's the lack of stress, she said, or the cleaner living. She still has diabetes and tests her blood regularly, but she does not have the same problems she once did.

They are happy, they said, with a better quality of life than they had living in Kamloops. They have more food, are warmer and feel more secure.

And then the officials showed up.

Tony said he's not looking for anything from anyone. He doesn't want money or donations. He just wants to be able to stay where he is, to live in his cabin and look after his wife.

"I'm home. This is home to me. They can come and rip it down around me, I'm not leaving."

He stands on the roof of the cabin and points out the impressive view, with Crown forests stretching as far as anyone can see. "With all of that space, I don't know why we can't stay here," he said.

Officials with the Integrated Land Management Bureau could not be reached for comment.

Kamloops lawyer John Drayton said there are no so-called "squatter's rights" in B.C. and there never have been. According to the law, the Smiths have no right to build a cabin as they have done, and the government has every right to tear it down.

If the Smiths press the point, Drayton said it's likely the government would seek an injunction and eventually call on the RCMP to enforce it.

Drayton said he's not so sure the government can demand they remove their tent, referring to a recent B.C. Supreme Court judgment dealt with the City of Victoria's bylaws governing "tenters' rights" in city parks.

That case may have some bearing on the Smiths' situation, although it's difficult to know how it would be interpreted if applied to these facts.

"They have no right to construct a cabin on Crown land," Drayton said, "although many people do it, sometimes for many years, because they go undetected.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:19 am
 


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"They have no right to construct a cabin on Crown land,"


This actually applies to the entirety of Canada. Aside from the natives and the government no one has a right to build anything in Canada.


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What are you talking about?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:22 am
 


BeaverFever BeaverFever:
What are you talking about?


You do not have a right to build anything anywhere in Canada. This is also true in much of the USA.


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You mean because most municipalities require permits?


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Laws gotta apply to everyone equally or they don't work worth a damn. Allow some 'harmless' squatter to do it once and it opens up the floodgates to illegal grow-ops, dens for lunatics hiding from black helicopters, religious cultists, or radicals getting ready to launch an assassination campaign against the police. And that doesn't even include the assessable damage that gets done by poachers and idiots screwing around with waterways. There's lots of legal land in the boonies that anyone can purchase to do what they want with. They don't need to do it on public land for whatever goofball fuckery they're trying to get away with.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:27 am
 


BeaverFever BeaverFever:
You mean because most municipalities require permits?


There you go. :wink:

It's not a right if you need to first get permission.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:29 am
 


Thanos Thanos:
Laws gotta apply to everyone equally or they don't work worth a damn. Allow some 'harmless' squatter to do it once and it opens up the floodgates to illegal grow-ops, dens for lunatics hiding from black helicopters, religious cultists, or radicals getting ready to launch an assassination campaign against the police. And that doesn't even include the assessable damage that gets done by poachers and idiots screwing around with waterways. There's lots of legal land in the boonies that anyone can purchase to do what they want with. They don't need to do it on public land for whatever goofball fuckery they're trying to get away with.


All supposedly private land in Canada is Crown land. No one in Canada holds a land grant or alluvial title that would give them sovereign ownership of their land.


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And you read somewhere that governments and First Nations people are exempt?

Doubt that's the case. I'm sure government agencies have to pay property tax like anyone else, especially since permits are local by-laws - Federal and Provincial governments would be subject to them like anyone else.

And on reserves the Natives usually don't own the housing or the land the houses sit on. Plus the federal Indian Act wouldn't have the power to exempt a person from laws at a different level of government (e.g municipal bylaws).


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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
And you read somewhere that governments and First Nations people are exempt?

Doubt that's the case. I'm sure government agencies have to pay property tax like anyone else, especially since permits are local by-laws - Federal and Provincial governments would be subject to them like anyone else.

And on reserves the Natives usually don't own the housing or the land the houses sit on. Plus the federal Indian Act wouldn't have the power to exempt a person from laws at a different level of government (e.g municipal bylaws).


Under what authority would a municipality collect property tax from a national or provincial government?

The natives may not individually own their lands but they do exercise their right to build on them and I see nothing in Lexis-Nexis referring to building codes outside of those reserves that have their own codes.


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