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 Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:19 am
But pipelines have such a negative impact on the environment.
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:48 pm
$1: Residents of Mattagami First Nation are being advised not to consume water from the community source for the time being. Residents of Gogama and Mattagami First Nation are being asked to stay inside until further notice due to possible smoke inhalation.
Aren't they glad now they took whatever Greenpeace and the Tides foundation was offering to beat the drums and chant at "stop the pipeline" demostrations.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:01 pm
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:05 pm
Exactly right ...THANKS OBAMA!
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:13 pm
Obama? Where were the trains heading? This looks like an accident that could be prevented by the Energy East Pipeline, not Keystone.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:17 pm
But the anti-oil loons keep telling us pipelines are dangerous.  Betcha the folks on the reserve wishes the pipelines were in use.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:27 pm
There are more oil pipelines in Alberta than rail lines. Unlike your average municipal sewer or water pipe, oil pipes are meticulously maintained to much stricter standards. For the oil companies - there is a huge amount of money to be lost if a pipeline bursts; both in lost material and lack of flow until the pipe is repaired. The financial incentive alone is enough for the companies to keep things in working order, never mind the incredible (and justifiable) environmental backlash if a pipeline did burst.
As for rail cars, meh. There is insurance for the lost oil. The railway wont stop running for more than a day over this.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:41 pm
Guess the railway has absolutely no responsibility in this... it's all Obama's fault. I know it's a bit late, but can we blame him for the Lac Megantic derailment too? 
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:45 pm
raydan raydan: Guess the railway has absolutely no responsibility in this... it's all Obama's fault. I know it's a bit late, but can we blame him for the Lac Megantic derailment too? Clearly that one was Harper's fault.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:10 pm
Gunnair Gunnair: raydan raydan: Guess the railway has absolutely no responsibility in this... it's all Obama's fault. I know it's a bit late, but can we blame him for the Lac Megantic derailment too? Clearly that one was Harper's fault. They work together, in secret, when no one is looking. The Jews probably have a hand in it, as well. BTW, Does Monsanto own a railroad?
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:12 pm
I agree that pipeline is a lot safer than rail, but it's not all Obama's fault. Oil has been shipped by rail within Canada for a long time where it could have been replaced by pipeline. Anybody know why not?
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:39 pm
If I was to hazard a guess it would be that the environmental movement has been involved in opposing big oil since the 60's so it was much easier and likely cheaper to keep it business as usual when it comes to the moving of that commodity by rail.
The sad ramifications of the no pipelines anywhere idiocy is quite apparent. We are going to see more of these rail accidents in the years to come because, big oil isn't going anywhere and their product is going to move no matter how many drum circles, native bands, celebrities and misguided or misinformed well intentioned people try to prevent it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:42 pm
I doubt it's mostly the environmental movement. We've had plenty of pipes built without fuss in the past. Most people don't even know about the pipes because they went in with so little fuss.
More likely that it's expensive to build pipelines and the volume to a particular destination may not make it worthwhile.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:52 pm
Besides, oil isn't the only dangerous stuff on the rails...
Some of the top hazardous commodities shipped by rail in Canada in 2012, measured by carloads
Petroleum Crude Oil 33,417
Petroleum Gases, Liquefied 16,929
Sodium Hydroxide Solution 11,876
Sulphuric Acid 26,968
Diesel Fuel 42,570
Propane 20,562
Hydrochloric Acid 3,009
Molten sulphur 26,716
Chlorine 4,619
Gasoline 17,747
Anhydrous Ammonia 20,534
Methanol 6,601
Fuel, Aviation, Turbine Engine 13,006
Environmentally Hazardous Substances, Liquid, N.O.S. 6,844
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