[Newsbot]

Title: Man shot and killed by transit police in Surrey
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: ShepherdsDog
Date: 2014-12-28 21:00:42
Canadian

[ShepherdsDog]

Waiting for some retard to ask why they didn't shoot the knife out of his hand.

[Xort]

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Drennan said when the officers entered the Safeway, they saw a man with a knife who was repeatedly stabbing himself.

"They started talking to him, issuing commands, directions to drop the knife," she said. "He refused to so so. He advanced on the officers and shots were fired."

I'm not a doctor but I think that man may have had some mental health issues.

I'd like to know how many shots the police fired, how many times the man was hit, and how many shots missed. I'd also like to know how far away the police where when the shooting happened.

The police in Vegreville shot a sorta bank robber once and he lived, I wonder if the RCMP have any data on people being shot and their survival rate based on number of hits.

The police need to use every case when someone is shot as a learning experiences to help avoid deaths in the future.

[stratos]

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he police need to use every case when someone is shot as a learning experiences to help avoid deaths in the future.

When the same standards are used for criminals then this comment would make sense.

[andyt]

You mean police shouldn't try to learn from each shooting what they could do better next time? Funny, they seem to spend quite a bit of effort doing just that, especially with mentally ill people. Guess they don't have your "just shoot them down like dogs" attitude, thank God. Thank God you're not a cop, too.

[stratos]

No I am saying that Xort wants cops to not shoot to kill when criminals will regardless of what you may think. Unlike you AndyT I do know what it is like to be put in life and death situations because some punk draws a weapon. Also you seem to forget that I was once a cop.

AndyT if someone pulls a weapon on you they mean to use it. If in the course of reaction by others they are killed then simply put they caused their own death. Mental illness or not a threat with a weapon is a threat.

[andyt]

I sure hope it's not true you were once a cop, although I do hear the US has pretty low standards for hiring cops.

Xort said nothing about not shooting an attacker when required. He wants cops to learn how not to kill people if it can be helped. Perfectly reasonable.

What was this man's crime, aside from stealing a knife? Is stabbing yourself illegal? You persist in calling him a criminal, when this was obviously a very disturbed, suicidal, individual, who harmed no one but himself. Likely the cops had to shoot him, since he wouldn't put the knife down, and they don't know when he would flip from attacking himself to attacking them. But Vancouver (don't know about Surrey)has spent a lot of effort and money putting together teams of psych nurses and cops to try to prevent exactly the type of scenario that went down here. Unlike you, people here care about needlessly killing, even if it is a criminal that is being killed.

[stratos]

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Xort said nothing about not shooting an attacker when required. He wants cops to learn how not to kill people if it can be helped. Perfectly reasonable.

It sounds reasonable till you attempt to put it into action. First you would be aiming for arms and legs thus a greater risk of missing and shooting innocents. Center mass the widest part of the body and also more likely to kill someone is the area police, military and concealed hand gun owners are trained to shoot for. Secondly a wounded person is more likely to say "Fuck it" and start spraying bullets.

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Likely the cops had to shoot him, since he wouldn't put the knife down, and they don't know when he would flip from attacking himself to attacking them.

You have just justified the shooting and my argument for it. Thank you.

Seeing as how you insist to continue to put snide remarks and personal attacks towards me when I did not start any with you just goes to prove the old strategy of when you have no knowledge or basis to go on attack the person in the attempt to discredit them.

[andyt]

stratos stratos:

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Xort said nothing about not shooting an attacker when required. He wants cops to learn how not to kill people if it can be helped. Perfectly reasonable.

It sounds reasonable till you attempt to put it into action. First you would be aiming for arms and legs thus a greater risk of missing and shooting innocents. Center mass the widest part of the body and also more likely to kill someone is the area police, military and concealed hand gun owners are trained to shoot for. Secondly a wounded person is more likely to say "Fuck it" and start spraying bullets.

You're assuming all sorts of things here. It's not about the shooting, once the decision is made to shoot, they shoot for center mass, as they should. It's about what can be done to prevent having to shoot in the first place.

stratos stratos:

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Likely the cops had to shoot him, since he wouldn't put the knife down, and they don't know when he would flip from attacking himself to attacking them.

You have just justified the shooting and my argument for it. Thank you.

No, I haven't. I read your argument as just shooting without any attempt by the cops to prevent the shooting in the first place. Continuing to call a mentally disturbed person who was only harming himself a criminal shows your attitude.

stratos stratos:

Seeing as how you insist to continue to put snide remarks and personal attacks towards me when I did not start any with you just goes to prove the old strategy of when you have no knowledge or basis to go on attack the person in the attempt to discredit them.

I'm making those remarks because what i read into your post: "who cares, don't try to learn from shootings how to prevent them, just shoot those criminals down like dogs." Our cops in BC have to have some college education, preferably a degree, know how to spell and put a paragraph together, and the forces try their best to weed out the cowboys. Most are not ex-military, as they are in the US, which has been identified as a reason for the overly aggressive stance of US cops. Oorah is not a good approach to policing.

[stratos]

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I'm making those remarks because what i read into your post: "who cares, don't try to learn from shootings how to prevent them, just shoot those criminals down like dogs."

That is what your brain produced, I never said anything near that.

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Our cops in BC have to have some college education, preferably a degree,

As do almost all Police agencies. I would say all but I'm sure some don't.

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know how to spell and put a paragraph together,

Once again personal attack. Thou it does go to show your hypocrisy you go on and on about treating people with respect and consideration to conditions yet with my dyslexia you seem to feel free to insult me over it.

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Most are not ex-military, as they are in the US, which has been identified as a reason for the overly aggressive stance of US cops.

I wonder where you got this from. All the articles I've read on police shootings do not indicate that the police officer(s) were ex-military.

[andyt]

How our police became soldiers (and how we can change them back)

http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2014/08 ... ings/28591

[Thanos]

1) Take the cops off the streets in areas where they're hated.
2) Let the fucking animals that live in those places burn everything down and then eat each other until none of them are remaining.
3) Bulldoze the ruins, build new places for decent people to live, then re-deploy the cops to protect citizens who actually appreciate them and the job they're trying to do.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

How our police became soldiers (and how we can change them back)

http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2014/08 ... ings/28591

The problem is that there's no longer a balance between the SWAT teams and the normal cops. These days it seems that every cop in a major city is outfitted with SWAT gear.

One of the terms I heard from an older guy (older than me!) is 'Tacticool'. There's a growing number of cops who LIKE to put on tactical gear and then go kick in doors as if Mayberry was in Syria. They throw flash-bang grenades and even lay down suppressing fire in some situations.

And that's in the absence of a suspect opening fire.

In one raid in Yolo County I got to see tear gas fired into a farm house, flash-bang grenades were simultaneously deployed, and then officers entered the house only to find a few things:

1. No one was home.

2. The house was empty.

3. It was the wrong house.

Turns out Road 25 and Road 27 are not the same road. Imagine that!

In any case, this whole show was put on when all that was really needed was for someone to knock on the door, see that there was no one home and that the house was empty, and then to double-check the warrant to find out WTF was going on.

In a perfect irony the guy who was the subject of the raid was driving by and he stopped to ask what was going on. When he was asked if he knew "Dave Merwin" he says, 'Yeah, that's me.'

Drama followed after which it was determined that Mr. Merwin hadn't done one damn thing wrong.

And Yolo County was on the hook for fixing the raided house to the tune of about $100,000.00

But of course I was wrong for criticizing the way the raid was conducted. You'd have thought I was committing religious heresy with the response I got.

And Yolo is actually not bad as these things go.

[andyt]

It's not the gear, it's the attitude. And the attitude is reinforced by the society in general. It's us against the animals, and pretty soon to the cops everybody they encounter looks like an animal.

[BRAH]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Waiting for some retard to ask why they didn't shoot the knife out of his hand.

Meh, waiting for someone to Monday Morning Quarterback the police oh wait.