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Title: Green energy sector jobs surpass total oil sands employment
Category: Business
Posted By: BeaverFever
Date: 2014-12-11 06:51:08
Canadian

[BeaverFever]

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"As for the provinces, Alberta and Saskatchewan in particular should follow Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia"

[martin14]

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That means the 23,700 people who work in green energy organizations outnumber the 22,340 whose work relates to the oil sands, the report says.

I'll call bullshit right there.

Someone ( most likely a greenie, they have no problem lying through their teeth ),
is really trying to pull a fast one.

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

ROTFL

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That means the 23,700 people who work in green energy organizations outnumber the 22,340 whose work relates to the oil sands, the report says.

I'll call bullshit right there.

Someone ( most likely a greenie, they have no problem lying through their teeth ),
is really trying to pull a fast one.

As usual, your comments are 100% bluster and 0% fact.

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We sourced our clean-energy sector jobs number from the Canadian Clean Technology Industry Report (PDF), produced each year by Analytica Advisors, an Ottawa-based research and consulting firm. (The full report is available on a subscription basis only.) The report addresses the cleantech sector broadly, but we extracted the following “clean energy” direct employment jobs for 2012:

Biorefinery products – 1,600

Power generation – 5,100

Smart grid and infrastructure – 3,200

Energy efficiency and building envelope – 8,100

Clean transportation – 5,700

It’s noteworthy that these are private sector jobs only—they do not include crown corporation jobs (think B.C. Hydro, Manitoba Hydro, Hydro Quebec to name a few), despite the fact that these companies are major clean energy producers and employers

http://cleanenergycanada.org/2014/12/03 ... ergy-jobs/

[Alta_redneck]

martin14 martin14:

ROTFL

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That means the 23,700 people who work in green energy organizations outnumber the 22,340 whose work relates to the oil sands, the report says.

I'll call bullshit right there.

Someone ( most likely a greenie, they have no problem lying through their teeth ),
is really trying to pull a fast one.

I called bullshit on another site and found out it was Tides that had something to do with this little news nugget, and as of right now there are about 148000 working in the Oilsands extraction process and it is estimated that number will climb up to 264000 by 2018 or close to that date.

And no, I'm not going to go look for that again.

Just shows how delusional the Beav really is, or how gullible. One of the 2 or maybe both.

[Delwin]

Some people are still living in their oil soaked dream world.

Low oil prices could cut Alberta revenue by $7-billion, Prentice says
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/alber ... ice=mobile

[BeaverFever]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

martin14 martin14:

ROTFL

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That means the 23,700 people who work in green energy organizations outnumber the 22,340 whose work relates to the oil sands, the report says.

I'll call bullshit right there.

Someone ( most likely a greenie, they have no problem lying through their teeth ),
is really trying to pull a fast one.

I called bullshit on another site and found out it was Tides that had something to do with this little news nugget, and as of right now there are about 148000 working in the Oilsands extraction process and it is estimated that number will climb up to 264000 by 2018 or close to that date.

And no, I'm not going to go look for that again.

Just shows how delusional the Beav really is, or how gullible. One of the 2 or maybe both.

Ok, I'll do your homework for you, since you're obviously not capable.

The figure you're citing relates to people who work in the oil and gas sector generally - including people who do not work in the Oilsands (i.e. conventional oil and gas) and those who work in non-oil jobs like Truck drivers, IT, accountants, etc. but who happen to do so for a company that happens to be in the oil and gas sector.

See the oil insutry's own numbers here:

http://www.iecbc.ca/sites/default/files ... y_2013.pdf

[andyt]

The evidence is in, and it calls bullshit on Martin and Redneck calling bullshit:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

martin14 martin14:

ROTFL

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That means the 23,700 people who work in green energy organizations outnumber the 22,340 whose work relates to the oil sands, the report says.

I'll call bullshit right there.

Someone ( most likely a greenie, they have no problem lying through their teeth ),
is really trying to pull a fast one.

I called bullshit on another site and found out it was Tides that had something to do with this little news nugget, and as of right now there are about 148000 working in the Oilsands extraction process and it is estimated that number will climb up to 264000 by 2018 or close to that date.

And no, I'm not going to go look for that again.

Just shows how delusional the Beav really is, or how gullible. One of the 2 or maybe both.

It's really not that hard, unless you're looking for all the "unreported" workers.

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By the numbers: Alberta’s oil sands industry employed 20,000 workers in 2011. That number is projected to grow to more than 35,000 by 2021, according to the Petroleum Human Resources Council of Canada, which works to address labour market issues in the industry. This includes workers directly employed by oil sands producers whose daily job responsibilities are devoted to oil sands activities.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... e17438086/

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Alberta’s oil sands industry will see its workforce rise 73% over the next 10 years, according to Petroleum Human Resources Council of Canada, as rising bitumen production demands greater manpower.

The industry, which accounts for 15% of the country’s oil and gas industry, employed 20,000 people at the end of 2011.

“The oil sands sector entered 2012 with a healthy dose of optimism, with all indicators — notably stable oil prices and strong international investment – pointing to continued expansion,” said Cheryl Knight, Executive Director and CEO of the council. “Demand for more workers is being driven primarily by growth in the sector, however our research tells us that the supply of skilled workers remains very tight.”

http://business.financialpost.com/2012/ ... =db82-7ec0

But, the comparison Beaver quoted looked at green energy jobs for Canada, vs only Alberta oil sands jobs. If you Compare Canada green jobs to Canada oil jobs, the oil jobs would be much greater.

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[Alta_redneck]

Delwin Delwin:

Some people are still living in their oil soaked dream world.

Low oil prices could cut Alberta revenue by $7-billion, Prentice says
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/alber ... ice=mobile

You know what Delwin, losing jobs in the first 2 weeks of Nov. in Alberta is as guaranteed as looking to the sky's and watching the great flocks of Canada Geese flying South in Nov. It's the end of the seasonal jobs.

I built highways for 25 years and for 25 years our season started the first Monday in May and ended Oct.31 It's not a biggie deal

[Alta_redneck]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

I called bullshit on another site and found out it was Tides that had something to do with this little news nugget, and as of right now there are about 148000 working in the Oilsands extraction process and it is estimated that number will climb up to 264000 by 2018 or close to that date.

And no, I'm not going to go look for that again.

Just shows how delusional the Beav really is, or how gullible. One of the 2 or maybe both.

Ok, I'll do your homework for you, since you're obviously not capable.



The figure you're citing relates to people who work in the oil and gas sector generally - including people who do not work in the Oilsands (i.e. conventional oil and gas) and those who work in non-oil jobs like Truck drivers, IT, accountants, etc. but who happen to do so for a company that happens to be in the oil and gas sector.

See the oil insutry's own numbers here:

http://www.iecbc.ca/sites/default/files ... y_2013.pdf[/quote]

Sorry I was off by a couple 1000 but I was pulling those out of my head, not out my ass. See how it works, you find numbers and I find numbers. I live here you don't, I'll go with mine. Thanks for coming out.

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Oil sands related direct employment in Alberta is expected to continue growing from the current level (2014) of 146,000 jobs to a peak of 256,000 jobs in 2024.

Oil sands related total Canadian employment (direct, indirect and induced), as a result of construction of new projects and the operation of new and existing projects, is expected to continue growing from the current level (2014) of 514,000 jobs to a peak of 802,000 jobs in 2028.

http://www.energy.alberta.ca/OilSands/791.asp

[BartSimpson]

Since when do we bestow laurels on inefficient industries?

It takes more people to work in a subsidized industry to produce a fraction of the energy, value, and tax revenue of what the people in the oil industry produce.

That's not something to celebrate.

It's like celebrating how Beijing Automobile Works produces fewer vehicles than Toyota but with far more labor effort. It's asinine.

[BeaverFever]

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Sorry I was off by a couple 1000 but I was pulling those out of my head, not out my ass. See how it works, you find numbers and I find numbers. I live here you don't, I'll go with mine. Thanks for coming out.

What don't you understand? Your figure includes oil and gas services- e.g. trucking companies hired to support activities in the oilsands. Most oil and gas employment (oilsands or otherwise) is actually in this "Services" sector.

The apples-to-apples comparisson of the people employed in energy producion is 23,700 people making energy from green tech and 22,340 making energy from oilsands.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Since when do we bestow laurels on inefficient industries?

It takes more people to work in a subsidized industry to produce a fraction of the energy, value, and tax revenue of what the people in the oil industry produce.

That's not something to celebrate.

It's like celebrating how Beijing Automobile Works produces fewer vehicles than Toyota but with far more labor effort. It's asinine.

Really? No subsidies to the oil industry, in both of our countries?

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Government backing is crucial for this industry, Ms. Smith said, as it has been for our other strategic industries. “Every major industrial sector in Canada – from the aerospace industry to the oil sands – has gotten off the ground with support from the federal government. But in the clean-energy sector, the federal government is really missing in action.”

Not only does the oil industry still get more substantial subsidies, she said, it also eats up a good deal of the country’s diplomatic relations efforts – through the lobbying for the Keystone XL pipeline, for example.

[peck420]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's like celebrating how Beijing Automobile Works produces fewer vehicles than Toyota but with far more labor effort. It's asinine.

I'm starting to question which method is more efficient in the scope of an entire society?

Yes, Toyota is a world leader in manufacturing efficiency, but something does need to be said for the societal efficiency of having all that extra labour employed and working via BAW.

[andyt]

It makes more sense to be efficient and use robots, but the wealth generated by those robots needs to be distributed to the population and not just the owners of the robots. We're breeding more and more people, while mechanizing more and more work. The latter is fine, as long as it doesn't throw more and more people into poverty - that's no way to run a stable society. Employ the surplus in various socially beneficial but non-profitable jobs.