[Newsbot]

Title: Turkish President Erdogan says Muslims discovered Americas
Category: Strange
Posted By: ShepherdsDog
Date: 2014-11-16 11:56:03

[ShepherdsDog]

The dumb ass claims that there was a centuries old mosque on a hilltop in Cuba when Columbus arrived.....ffs hasn't Ali Babble read a history book recently? He should stick to destroying secularism in Turkey.

[Jabberwalker]

"Muslim sailors reached American continent in 1178, Erdogan says"

The Norwegians beat them by two centuries, if the Muslims even made at all.

I guess that this answers the question of whether Turkey is ready for E.U. membership, though.

[ShepherdsDog]

St. Brendan was there first

[andyt]

Lot's of people already here long before any of these guys showed up. The diff is that when Columbus et al found the place they were representing a bunch of gold, fish and fur hungry bastards willing and able to kill, rape and pillage to get it and hold the territory, followed closely by people greedy for land and the ability to organize themselves how they saw fit. So "we saw it first" doesn't count for anything, and "we were here first' until recently didn't count for much more.

We can rationalize all we want, be we certainly are only here because our people before us were not very finicky about visiting depredations on the folks already here for millennia. Looks like it may all be coming back to bite us in the ass - sins of the fathers and all that.

[Jabberwalker]

No, no. The Carthaginians got here long before the Irish.

http://phoenicia.org/carthanewworld.html

[Jabberwalker]

No, no. The Egyptians got here long before Carthage.


http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-his ... rld-001025

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Lot's of people already here long before any of these guys showed up. The diff is that when Columbus et al found the place they were representing a bunch of gold, fish and fur hungry bastards willing and able to kill, rape and pillage to get it and hold the territory, followed closely by people greedy for land and the ability to organize themselves how they saw fit. So "we saw it first" doesn't count for anything, and "we were here first' until recently didn't count for much more.

We can rationalize all we want, be we certainly are only here because our people before us were not very finicky about visiting depredations on the folks already here for millennia. Looks like it may all be coming back to bite us in the ass - sins of the fathers and all that.

Oh please, you make it sound like North America is the only place in the history of the world that was conquered by someone other than the original settlers.
And hell, at least the Natives fought back. Unlike today where it seems many Canadians, like you apparently, would be perfectly happy to roll over and let it happen to us because they'd rather flagellate themselves while wallowing in White guilt.
Should the Mongolians feel collective guilt over the cultures and peoples that disappeared as a result of their empire building?
Should the Italians feel collective guilt over the horrors of the expansion of the Roman Empire?
How about Persians? Greeks? Egyptians? Or are we the only ones horrible enough to deserve suffering for the "sins of our [expansionist] fathers, and all that"?

I swear Monty Python could have done a skit about it.

Representative of the First Nations People's Front: Ok, so besides roads, electricity, medicine, hospitals, schools, various modes of transportation, running water, and firearms, what has the White devil ever done for us?"

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Lot's of people already here long before any of these guys showed up. The diff is that when Columbus et al found the place they were representing a bunch of gold, fish and fur hungry bastards willing and able to kill, rape and pillage to get it and hold the territory, followed closely by people greedy for land and the ability to organize themselves how they saw fit. So "we saw it first" doesn't count for anything, and "we were here first' until recently didn't count for much more.

We can rationalize all we want, be we certainly are only here because our people before us were not very finicky about visiting depredations on the folks already here for millennia. Looks like it may all be coming back to bite us in the ass - sins of the fathers and all that.

What a load of tripe and trollop. There is no "we." Why on earth would I take personal responsibility for the actions of people centuries ago?

That white man's guilt you carry with you must be burdensome.

[fifeboy]

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

That white man's guilt you carry with you must be burdensome.

Nailed it.

[Hyack]

And now we push it back to 3,000 BC with more than 500,000 tons of copper being mined in the so-called Upper Peninsula, in the state of Michigan.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/copper.html

[BartSimpson]

Hyack Hyack:

And now we push it back to 3,000 BC with more than 500,000 tons of copper being mined in the so-called Upper Peninsula, in the state of Michigan.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/copper.html

Damned Indians, strip mining the earth and pillaging it for their capitalistic trade networks!

[Hyack]

And we also have the Chinese in 499 AD.....

http://www.yeefow.com/past/499.html

[BartSimpson]

Hyack Hyack:

And we also have the Chinese in 499 AD.....

http://www.yeefow.com/past/499.html

The Romans were here long before that. The historian Clive Cussler documented this in his treatise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_(Cussler_novel)