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Title: �Today was the first day I was ever ashamed to be a teacher�
Category: Uncle Sam
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-05-05 11:50:58

[N_Fiddledog]

[sandorski]

Umm, not one example given, just a rant and allegations?

Highly suspicious article.

[N_Fiddledog]

Yeah sorry, my fault. They expect you to know the basics going in. Common core is more an American thing. At least by name. It's here. It just isn't named. It's wrong to expect my fellow Canadians to know what all the fuss is about. It's a big thing down south. Lots of arguments, and common core has become common knowledge down there.

What do you want then? I can explain, but you'll get the full right tilt. Links are tough, because it's a lot of little pieces. How about talking points? Let's do it that way, and look them up if they interest you.

* New common, federal, education standards.

* Bill Gates and others pushing it.

* Snuck in with stimulus. If states wanted the money, they had to take common core. Most did.

* Get a math question wrong? Doesn't matter if you can explain why. What I mean is 2 + 3 = 5 is fine as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

* Rising to the lowest expectations. Everybody gets a trophy.

* Dumbing down. Revised history.

* Kids brains readied for indoctrination.

* Better teachers complain. Parents pissed. Some states revolting.



Oh, and just to piss the right people off I'll tell you this... Agenda 21.

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Yeah sorry, my fault. They expect you to know the basics going in. Common core is more an American thing. At least by name. It's here. It just isn't named. It's wrong to expect my fellow Canadians to know what all the fuss is about. It's a big thing down south. Lots of arguments, and common core has become common knowledge down there.

What do you want then? I can explain, but you'll get the full right tilt. Links are tough, because it's a lot of little pieces. How about talking points? Let's do it that way, and look them up if they interest you.

* New common, federal, education standards. The horror

* Bill Gates and others pushing it. WEll that does it right there. If Gates if fer it, we gotta be agin it.

* Snuck in with stimulus. If states wanted the money, they had to take common core. Most did. SOP in Canada

* Get a math question wrong? Doesn't matter if you can explain why. What I mean is 2 + 3 = 5 is fine as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion. I've come to the conclusion that I don't see a problem here.

* Rising to the lowest expectations. Everybody gets a trophy. Rising to the lowest? That's the actual mandate of this program?

* Dumbing down. Revised history. No evidence offered, I have none to refute it

* Kids brains readied for indoctrination. Always thus.

* Better teachers complain better says who?. Parents pissed. Aren't they always, some of them? Some states revolting. Aren't they always?



Oh, and just to piss the right people off I'll tell you this... Agenda 21.

[N_Fiddledog]

Oh damn typing faster than my brain was working again. Should have read...

$1:

What I mean is 2 + 2 = 5 is fine as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

[xerxes]

Both were right.

[N_Fiddledog]

The way I heard it rote learning is no longer considered cool. They stress the method above learning fact, or something like that.

Look, this is not really my issue. I just hear a lot of people really worked up about it from my side of the political spectrum down in America.

I know one of them is Michelle Malkin. If you really want to know what all the excitement is about Google 'Michelle Malkin common core'.

One thing I do remember her being worked up over was something about Gates wanting to keep a database on kids or something...Wait...

OK, here you go on that.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... lle-malkin

In fact here's a list of her Common Core posts. Click on some of those if you want to know why the right is upset.

http://michellemalkin.com/?s=%22common+core%22

Actually it's not even just the right anymore, but see what they're saying and learn how the fight began.

My only real point is Common Core is a big issue in America, and getting bigger all the time.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

I've seen similar crap tried in Ontario schools years ago. They tried to introduce some weird version of "short" division that basically ended up being longer than long division if your math skills sucked.

But this common core math I've been seeing for a while now is some messed up. It makes quantum physics look like "See Spot run" science. I've seen a few example questions where the answer was correct, but I'll be goddamned if I can figure out the hell they arrived at it.

[sandorski]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Yeah sorry, my fault. They expect you to know the basics going in. Common core is more an American thing. At least by name. It's here. It just isn't named. It's wrong to expect my fellow Canadians to know what all the fuss is about. It's a big thing down south. Lots of arguments, and common core has become common knowledge down there.

What do you want then? I can explain, but you'll get the full right tilt. Links are tough, because it's a lot of little pieces. How about talking points? Let's do it that way, and look them up if they interest you.

* New common, federal, education standards.

* Bill Gates and others pushing it.

* Snuck in with stimulus. If states wanted the money, they had to take common core. Most did.

* Get a math question wrong? Doesn't matter if you can explain why. What I mean is 2 + 3 = 5 is fine as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

* Rising to the lowest expectations. Everybody gets a trophy.

* Dumbing down. Revised history.

* Kids brains readied for indoctrination.

* Better teachers complain. Parents pissed. Some states revolting.



Oh, and just to piss the right people off I'll tell you this... Agenda 21.

Ahh, all your points are stupid. Srsly.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

$1:

Get a math question wrong? Doesn't matter if you can explain why. What I mean is 2 + 3 = 5 is fine as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

This actually isn't anything new. Back when I was in high school math class, our tests were always graded by the work shown AND the answer. For example, if a question was worth 5 marks, 1 mark for each of the 4 steps to get the answer and 1 mark for the answer, you could get the answer wrong and still get 4 out of 5 on the question. And thank God for that too because most of my mistakes on math tests and exams were stupid transposition errors.

[saturn_656]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

$1:

Get a math question wrong? Doesn't matter if you can explain why. What I mean is 2 + 3 = 5 is fine as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

This actually isn't anything new. Back when I was in high school math class, our tests were always graded by the work shown AND the answer. For example, if a question was worth 5 marks, 1 mark for each of the 4 steps to get the answer and 1 mark for the answer, you could get the answer wrong and still get 4 out of 5 on the question. And thank God for that too because most of my mistakes on math tests and exams were stupid transposition errors.

Don't fricking remind me.

I would have been an "A" math student if it weren't for that shit.

Right answer nine times out of ten, but I'm wrong because I didn't use their process to arrive at my answer.

[2Cdo]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

$1:

Get a math question wrong? Doesn't matter if you can explain why. What I mean is 2 + 3 = 5 is fine as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

This actually isn't anything new. Back when I was in high school math class, our tests were always graded by the work shown AND the answer. For example, if a question was worth 5 marks, 1 mark for each of the 4 steps to get the answer and 1 mark for the answer, you could get the answer wrong and still get 4 out of 5 on the question. And thank God for that too because most of my mistakes on math tests and exams were stupid transposition errors.

On the other hand you could get every question right and still fail the test!

[saturn_656]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

On the other hand you could get every question right and still fail the test!

Story of my high school math classes.

Someone who did the work the "approved" way yet always got the wrong answer would score higher than me even if I got every answer correct. For the first few years I'd bullshit them, get the answer then make up the work after. Eventually that got to be difficult.

I literally went from being an A math student to barely passing and that was with the help of a tutor. I simply couldn't process the problems like they wanted me to. They would have had better luck asking me to write left handed or think in Latin.

Had to quit the university math stream in total frustration and move to university/college level because my average was dropping.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

$1:

Get a math question wrong? Doesn't matter if you can explain why. What I mean is 2 + 3 = 5 is fine as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion.

This actually isn't anything new. Back when I was in high school math class, our tests were always graded by the work shown AND the answer. For example, if a question was worth 5 marks, 1 mark for each of the 4 steps to get the answer and 1 mark for the answer, you could get the answer wrong and still get 4 out of 5 on the question. And thank God for that too because most of my mistakes on math tests and exams were stupid transposition errors.

Don't fricking remind me.

I would have been an "A" math student if it weren't for that shit.

Right answer nine times out of ten, but I'm wrong because I didn't use their process to arrive at my answer.

For us, if you got the answer correct without showing your work you still got full marks for solving it, but that was a gamble because if you got the answer wrong and didn't show your work, you got a 0 for it.