[Newsbot]

Title: First Nations homes slated for demolition; relocated and resold instead
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-04-25 00:48:40
Canadian

[PJB]

How much money has been spent to house these people? First number I read was 86 Million dollars. In three years? Wow. I wish I could be relocated to a big city, put up in a nice hotel and paid everyday for doing absolutely nothing. 86 Million dollars could build 172 five hundred thousand dollar homes.

[martin14]

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When pressed on the issue and asked how much money he made from selling the homes, Sinclair said he �didn�t make nothing.�

Ranks right up there with
"He didn do nunthin."

[jj2424]

New Escalades for everyone on Tribal Council

thank you whitey

[OnTheIce]

“That buyer told me he bought it from the Lake St. Martin chief,”

But it's Steven Harper's fault.

[Freakinoldguy]

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In a statement to CTV, a spokesperson for Aboriginal Affairs Minister Bernard Valcourt said the government is investigating the matter “and will forward any evidence of criminal wrongdoing to the appropriate policing authority.”

Good luck with that one. When is the last time one of these thieving fucks was charged for fraud, theft or misappropriation of Gov't Funds?

Nothing will happen. The residents will still have sweet fuck all, the thieving Chief and those giants wastes of oxygen at Indian Affairs will keep on pouring our money into that bottomless pit they call the Lake St. Martin Reserve while, they all frolic in their own special land of rainbows and unicorns.


Nothing to see here folks, it's just business as usual for the special Canadians and their sponsors.

[BRAH]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

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In a statement to CTV, a spokesperson for Aboriginal Affairs Minister Bernard Valcourt said the government is investigating the matter “and will forward any evidence of criminal wrongdoing to the appropriate policing authority.”

Good luck with that one. When is the last time one of these thieving fucks was charged for fraud, theft or misappropriation of Gov't Funds?

Nothing will happen. The residents will still have sweet fuck all, the thieving Chief and those giants wastes of oxygen at Indian Affairs will keep on pouring our money into that bottomless pit they call the Lake St. Martin Reserve while, they all frolic in their own special land of rainbows and unicorns.


Nothing to see here folks, it's just business as usual for the special Canadians and their sponsors.

When it comes to managing funds the only difference between Arafat and corrupt Native Chiefs is he won the nobel peace prize and was able to hide the billions he 'borrowed' better.

[PJB]

When will the rest of us just come to the realization that the FN's in this country are special. They have rights that we do not and they are not accountable to anyone. This is just another story that we can bitch and complain about but in the end nothing will come of it. Manitoba seems to be a hotbed of native activism from this to the FN's basically telling those who fund their social programs to piss off. Their attitude is simple. "Give us the money but never even consider asking where it is being spent."

We have to acknowledge that we are so far in debt to these people. They own everything. The land, the water, hell, even the air.

[Public_Domain]

[FieryVulpine]

I imagine part of it has to do with the racism of lowered expectations. Segments of the population believe that natives simply "do not know any better" and simply shrug the corruption on certain reserves off as something akin to "kids will be kids."

[Public_Domain]

[Thanos]

Ask those questions of the dude who just sold 40 moldy shitboxes for $20K each and basically pocketed $800000 for himself. No financial accountability literally ensures that none of the money he made is going to end up going to anyone else on the reserve except for him, his family, and his buddies.

That's the game they play. So, yes, if they're going to do something like that then the government (aka the whiteys you're disparaging) should absolutely step in and take over all of their finances and almost all of their reserve functions. The only time in the last 400 years Haiti had a stable society was when the place was literally run and policed by the occupying United States Marine Corps. If direct rule from Ottawa is they only thing that would bring stability and accountability to the Canadian reserve system then so be it. Anyone screaming "racism!" can fucking go stuff themselves.

[commanderkai]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

What we need is some more homeless people. That's the answer.

They should see no part of the collective public fund that is Canadian tax dollars. Everything they have gotten should be taken "back" so as to satisfy cold conservative hearts.

Kick them to the curb, abandon their ghettos, close them out. "Wait for winter to solve the problem".

$86,000,000 has been spent feeding and housing these people who have their homes condemned (133 total according to the CTV report). That's $646,616.54 per condemned building. Here's a thought...about about you house them for about a year in hotels and such, costing maybe $46,000 per family, and you use the $600,000 to build new fucking homes. Shit, so instead of homeless people (oh and they're still homeless, THREE YEARS ON) it's people living in homes again!

Now, this is government bureaucratic fucktardedness of the highest order. Not the fault of the tribal community leaders, I'll admit. Our government (crossing partisan lines, let's not even pretend this is a uniquely Conservative or Liberal issue). Some of these bureaucracies need some common fucking sense, and maybe a calculator.

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Or, since most of you consider the conditions to be naturally ingrained in native consciousness, perhaps more harsh methods of recollecting what has been "given to them for free" can be instituted.

What should be done? What are you asking for, other than the end of all support? What do you expect to happen? Do you feel a cold white shoulder will stir up some gumption in those lazy native hearts?

Ah, yes, we bigoted white people. This gets hilariously ironic soon enough.

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Get to the brass tax; you guys see a "Problem" and will only mumble your vague "Solutions"...

I have a perfect solution. All I need absolute political power and a time machine.

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Destroy all their councils and governments. Then what? What is the next fucking step? Rid them of their institutions.

What are they to have? How much of this until the accusation of the ulterior motive of destroying what little remains of Native cultures becomes true?

This is like saying Italian and Sicilian culture was somehow broken because the government targeted the Cosa Nostra. It's fucking ridiculous. Is Aboriginal culture truly dependent upon these little criminal fucktards? Is that what's left of Aboriginal culture? See, I thought it was the oral traditions, their history, their food, their faith, their dress, their ceremonies, and their blood. These chieftains and tribal leaders are no different than any other criminal element, preying and stealing from their own people to make themselves wealthy, and they do not give a shit who they hurt to do so.

These shits literally sold condemned homes, WITH THEIR OWN PEOPLE'S POSSESSIONS STILL INSIDE THEM, and did not give two flying fucks about their actual constituents. Quite frankly, I bet you the contents of those condemned homes had more Aboriginal culture, and history, and yet, their own leaders did not give two flying fucks as they probably robbed family albums, historical relics, and religious and cultural attire and objects from their own people.

Oh, but we're the bigots, because we want these corrupt leaders held accountable for fucking over their own people. Sure. Right. Silly me. Here I'm thinking that I'm tired of watching millions of taxpayer dollars being utterly stolen by these leaders from Canadians as a whole (hey, including Aboriginals!), while those same leaders will take the first opportunity to steal from their own people too.

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Far too many people here thinking that a new form of instituted poverty wil solve alcoholism and laziness.

Oh, I see, so let's keep the current form of institutionalized poverty, with a yummy helping of corruption on the side. Fantastic. Brilliant plan. It's been working so well...

Status quo is not the solution here. Something needs to be done. Our government needs to hold these corrupt shits accountable, while also using a bit of intelligence when managing the money Canada as a society gives to the various Aboriginal communities.

[Freakinoldguy]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

What we need is some more homeless people. That's the answer.

They should see no part of the collective public fund that is Canadian tax dollars. Everything they have gotten should be taken "back" so as to satisfy cold conservative hearts.

Kick them to the curb, abandon their ghettos, close them out. "Wait for winter to solve the problem".

Or, since most of you consider the conditions to be naturally ingrained in native consciousness, perhaps more harsh methods of recollecting what has been "given to them for free" can be instituted.

What should be done? What are you asking for, other than the end of all support? What do you expect to happen? Do you feel a cold white shoulder will stir up some gumption in those lazy native hearts?

Get to the brass tax; you guys see a "Problem" and will only mumble your vague "Solutions"...

Destroy all their councils and governments. Then what? What is the next fucking step? Rid them of their institutions. What are they to have? How much of this until the accusation of the ulterior motive of destroying what little remains of Native cultures becomes true?

Far too many people here thinking that a new form of instituted poverty wil solve alcoholism and laziness.

You planning on applying for a job at Indian Affairs?

The problem isn't the rank and file natives it's the fucking thieving chiefs, their thieving financial managers, their thieving band councils, idiots in Indian Affairs and successive Governments that think handing out tax dollars like water will keep them safe from being called racists by apologists, the natives and foreign countries that think our indigenous people are, cute.

How many homes could have been built for the 86 million dollars that we've spent housing these people already? My guess is at the high end of the spectrum we could have built at least 172 500K homes that might have met their basic living standards but for some reason nothings happening which reminds me of Attawapiskat where the modular homes the Gov't sent up there sit empty while the band council and Chief continued to complain that there wasn't any money for housing.

So here's a question. You apparently want to accuse people on here of not having answers for what you perceive to be the problem so, how about manning up and giving us your enlightened answers for all the woes of the poor noble natives who you champion.

But, while I'm waiting and since you asked for it here's my solutions as posted on a previous thread. First, we're not the ones holding them in perpetual poverty that's a conscious choice by their leaders and it isn't likely to change until we force the corrupt leadership to allow real elections with representation of all band members not just the ones who haven't left the reserves looking for work and a better life. Anyway I digress so without further ado here's what you wanted, or at least accused us of not having. Solutions.

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First, an actual audit from an auditor that is acceptable to both the band and the Government but separate from either. This auditor doesn't have to be approved by the Chief or Council, a vote by band members will suffice for them to be picked. This audit will have to avoid the lumping together of things like salaries into catch all's like admin costs so both the band members and taxpayers know exactly what is being spent and how.. Maybe a core review the bands administration rather than an audit would be more appropriate.

The closing of reserves that are isolated and untenable. If this requires a buyout or land exchange then so be it. If people on these untenable reserves don't want to leave their traditional lands then they can receive a one time payout which, after that leaves them to return to the ancient ways in their soverign nation like they lived before we arrived with no more financial assistance from the Canadian government. This will also give them the ability to negotiate with outside agencies as an independent group.

The band members that are moved to more appropriate settings will receive job training and job placement for an specific period of time with either subsidized private industry or native owned government backed industries that are subject to audit by the lending agency. These jobs are to given based on merit not band or relative affiliation. But these jobs come with a caveat. If a person loses a job because of problems that are completely avoidable they'll be treated just like anyone else and get no UI, or treaty money and will have to find another job or go on welfare. No more free ride for just showing up once and awhile.

Band members that are moved will receive financial benefits for an specific period of time after which tbey will become just like the rest of us wogs. The only difference being that they will, for a specific period of time be given access to interest free loans and training so they can further their own bands financial outlook. The finances given to the band will be subject to review by and independent auditor at the request of either party.

All unsigned treaties will be concluded within a specific period of time. If a band refuses to participate, or becomes disruptive a court appointed binding arbitrator will be brought in to finalize the treaty agreements with or without either the band or the Governments consent.

Any band that declares itself a soverign nation will be treated as just that. No financial benefit from the Government. They will also be required to get their own passports and use them when entering, transiting, or leaving Canada. If they declare themselves a soverign nation they must at that time declare all land they consider theirs but this land must have been part of their nation before the Whiteman arrived and if it was ceded in anyway shape or form to the Canadian or British Governments it isn't theirs. All other land that is disputed will go to binding arbitration for settlement and if it's occupied land that they own they will be paid out rather than giving them land that others are living on.

And, last but not least all Chiefs and Council members who want any government monies must attend a series of seminars by Chief Clarence Looie on subjects like native time, band finances, and pride in self and community.

[ShepherdsDog]

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You planning on applying for a job

Mr C work .....nah, he's the white version of the native stereotype.


And yet again MANFF smells money to be made off of whitey

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MANFF reappears to help themselves out

The province said it delivered 100 water tubes to Peguis, but that the flooding situation was being managed by the federal government and the community.

A provincial spokesperson also said evacuations are being co-ordinated by the Manitoba Association of Native Firefighters.

MANFF ran into trouble for financial issues related to 2011 flood evacuees.

Province still paying MANFF despite questionable expenses
In 2013, the federal government removed the agency from handling First Nations people displaced by the 2011 flood.

MANFF surrenders flood evacuee services
The provincial spokesperson told CBC Saturday that the federal government still has a contract with MANFF.