[Newsbot]

Title: Federal science hobbled by cuts and policies, poll says
Category: Science
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2014-02-06 13:10:03
Canadian

[Zipperfish]

I, for one, am outraged.

[DrCaleb]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I, for one, am outraged.

It's the short shortsightedness that pisses me off. This will come back to bite us, far harder than just dealing with the facts that are so inconvenient for the CPC.

[Zipperfish]

It's already biting this government in the butt. He can't get his pipelines through anywhere, because nobody believes this government on the issue of the environment.

[Xort]

Well put on your thinking caps and understand that it's just the opinions of a poll of people. Not a study into if it has done any harm.

Also only 24% of people that were sent the poll replied giving a bias to people that are upset.

Lastly, most people view events in the past as being worse than they are today, even if when controlled for and recorded they reported being fine or good at the time.

~

Oh look another biased bit of reporting by the CBC, call me unsurprised.

Another take on this would be, government union upset about lower spending and their employer telling them what to do, rather than letting them do anything they want.

Frankly I'd rather the government was funding industry research to help make Canada more money, to help pay for more environmental protection, health care and so on. That stuff isn't free.

[saturn_656]

Looks like eliminating the deficit is overriding all other priorities.

Chretien part deux?

[Zipperfish]

Xort Xort:

Well put on your thinking caps and understand that it's just the opinions of a poll of people. Not a study into if it has done any harm.

Also only 24% of people that were sent the poll replied giving a bias to people that are upset.

Lastly, most people view events in the past as being worse than they are today, even if when controlled for and recorded they reported being fine or good at the time.

~

Oh look another biased bit of reporting by the CBC, call me unsurprised.

Another take on this would be, government union upset about lower spending and their employer telling them what to do, rather than letting them do anything they want.

Frankly I'd rather the government was funding industry research to help make Canada more money, to help pay for more environmental protection, health care and so on. That stuff isn't free.

So you want the government to cut down on environemtnal protection, in order to do research for industry, so they have more money for environmental protection. Yup.

[Gunnair]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Xort Xort:

Well put on your thinking caps and understand that it's just the opinions of a poll of people. Not a study into if it has done any harm.

Also only 24% of people that were sent the poll replied giving a bias to people that are upset.

Lastly, most people view events in the past as being worse than they are today, even if when controlled for and recorded they reported being fine or good at the time.

~

Oh look another biased bit of reporting by the CBC, call me unsurprised.

Another take on this would be, government union upset about lower spending and their employer telling them what to do, rather than letting them do anything they want.

Frankly I'd rather the government was funding industry research to help make Canada more money, to help pay for more environmental protection, health care and so on. That stuff isn't free.

So you want the government to cut down on environemtnal protection, in order to do research for industry, so they have more money for environmental protection. Yup.

That's outrageous!

[Jabberwalker]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Looks like eliminating the deficit is overriding all other priorities.

Chretien part deux?

With this lot, it might be Christian fundamentalism trumping that overblown "science" thing.

[saturn_656]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Looks like eliminating the deficit is overriding all other priorities.

Chretien part deux?

With this lot, it might be Christian fundamentalism trumping that overblown "science" thing.

It isn't just the science types facing cutbacks.

[Xort]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

So you want the government to cut down on environemtnal protection, in order to do research for industry, so they have more money for environmental protection. Yup.

Cut down on environmental protection? I don't think I said that.

Focus research on industry and ways to pay for all our new toys. Unless you think that our problem is not having anything to spend our money on.

[DrCaleb]

Xort Xort:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

So you want the government to cut down on environemtnal protection, in order to do research for industry, so they have more money for environmental protection. Yup.

Cut down on environmental protection? I don't think I said that.

Focus research on industry and ways to pay for all our new toys. Unless you think that our problem is not having anything to spend our money on.

Isn't the whole point of capitalism for them to do their own research, and the Government to research things that industry won't; like fire extinguisher chemicals in breast milk and heavy metals in waterways so that the protection of people is protected?

What's the point of researching industry inefficiencies if everyone is too sick to work to earn money to pay for things?

[Prof_Chomsky]

Xort Xort:

Well put on your thinking caps and understand that it's just the opinions of a poll of people. Not a study into if it has done any harm.

Also only 24% of people that were sent the poll replied giving a bias to people that are upset.

Lastly, most people view events in the past as being worse than they are today, even if when controlled for and recorded they reported being fine or good at the time.

~

Oh look another biased bit of reporting by the CBC, call me unsurprised.

Another take on this would be, government union upset about lower spending and their employer telling them what to do, rather than letting them do anything they want.

Frankly I'd rather the government was funding industry research to help make Canada more money, to help pay for more environmental protection, health care and so on. That stuff isn't free.

I ran surveys for a living at one time, and all I can say is your assumptions are incorrect. That is not how sampling or error margins work.

Agreed, the sample was 100% government scientists employed in some way by the government, but it was also the only group of people in the world qualified to answer the survey. That said, both angry and happy people have the same predisposition to filling out surveys, many studies have shown that. It’s apathetic people who tend to ignore them. A 24% response rate is INCREDIBLE in the survey world.

[Freakinoldguy]

$1:

The survey was commissioned by the union representing federal scientists.

So let me get this straight the Union representing Federal scientists commissioned a survey of their own members and then want us to believe it's unbiased.

Get a survey that represents what all Canadians feel and then I'll pay attention otherwise this just sounds like sour grapes.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

$1:

The survey was commissioned by the union representing federal scientists.

So let me get this straight the Union representing Federal scientists commissioned a survey of their own members and then want us to believe it's unbiased.

Get a survey that represents what all Canadians feel and then I'll pay attention otherwise this just sounds like sour grapes.

All Canadians are not qualified to comment on the programs that were cut by the Omnibus bill C-38. Most Canadians don't even know they were cut, because the bill was presented as a 'budget' bill. Yet, they cut 3 billion in rail safety in the bill. The Conservation and Protection Offices Canada wide were cut. Did you know that? How could you be expected to have an opinion then if you didn't?

The only people qualified to comment on the cuts are the people still working in similar capacities. Like I always say, who cares what Donald Trump thinks about climate change; he's a real estate magnate.