[Newsbot]

Title: New Snowden docs show U.S. spied during G20 in Toronto
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2013-11-28 07:25:51
Canadian

[DrCaleb]

$1:

The documents show Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government allowed the National Security Agency (NSA), the U.S.'s largest spy agency, to conduct widespread surveillance in Canada during the 2010 summits.

The documents are being reported exclusively by CBC News.

"I can't comment in detail on the intelligence operations or capabilities of ourselves or our allies. What I can tell you is that CSEC, under its legislation, cannot target Canadians anywhere in the world or anyone in Canada, including visitors to Canada," Forster said Thursday morning outside the House defence committee.

"We would only do so if we were assisting a law enforcement agency in Canada under a warrant, etc. To do otherwise would be against the law. Further, we cannot ask our allies to do any kind of operations that we ourselves are not permitted to do under law," he said, adding that the commissioner who reviews CSEC has found the agency acts "within the law."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada- ... -1.2444004

So, they had a warrant to let the NSA spy on our allies? Which Judge has those big of balls to issue that warrant?

[Public_Domain]

[PluggyRug]

If the G20 diplomats did not expect to be under surveillance then they should not move in diplomatic circles.

[westmanguy]

This false outrage is rather annoying. The thing is, all the governments know this is going on. Everyone spies on EVERYONE. Its the nature of our world. Its just when the spies aren't good or they hire unreliable employees who leak confidential info that it becomes a media circle jerk of false outrage by various authorities.

Do I like it? Not particularly. But I realize that its the nature of the game. The West and Anglosphere is tied at the hip and strategically, militarily and economically aligned whether some of their local citizens like it or not. All the Anglophone nations of the world have an agreement where they can spy on each other to circumvent domestic law. My understanding is the U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are in this pact. For example, the Canadian government can't tap its own citizens without just cause. But the Canadian government is not bound by Canadian law to spy on Australians. So we all spy on each other for each other and then relay/share the information. So technically our "own" government isn't spying on us, but one of our allies is and monitoring our home grown extremists and informing our domestic authorities when threats arise.

Its the nature of the beast. The Wikileaks saga is nothing earth shattering in the sense of what is occurring. Its bin like this for a while. Its just the larger general public has gotten an insight at just how far deep the whole intelligence game goes. So their leaders are displaying their faux outrage to respond to their local's own anger, even though their domestic leaders are well aware this is all going on and they do it themselves.

[Public_Domain]

[PublicAnimalNo9]

$1:

New Snowden docs show U.S. spied during G20 in Toronto.

Whaaaat?? The US spying on/in Canada? How unprecede...oh wait, am I supposed to be shocked, or surprised by this?

[commanderkai]

The next bit of released documents will have the FBI and other US Federal agencies conducting surveillance on foreign embassies in Washington D.C.!

[Vamp018]

commanderkai commanderkai:

The next bit of released documents will have the FBI and other US Federal agencies conducting surveillance on foreign embassies in Washington D.C.!

That also joins the spy on spy country cat and mouse game. Been going on for a very long time. Just be happy there isn't a Hoover in the FBI/White-House lol.

[Thanos]

Better put a top-notch TeaBircher like Palin into the job next. She'll tell us what to do! *farts*sharts*farts again*

[DrCaleb]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

If the G20 diplomats did not expect to be under surveillance then they should not move in diplomatic circles.

So then, why was the official reason for spying on them 'to prevent terrorist activities'? They are the prime targets of terrorist activities, not the prime suspects. Sometimes you just have to trust your allies, not stab them in the back to gain an economic advantage (the actual reason to spy on them).

If you don't have some mutual trust between allies, they end up doing what Pakistan did this week and outing your whole operation and putting many lives at risk.

[Zipperfish]

westmanguy westmanguy:

This false outrage is rather annoying.

Really? because I find this attitude...

$1:

Do I like it? Not particularly. But I realize that its the nature of the game.

...rather annoying.


I think regularly shining a light on the cockroaches is a good thing. Stomp as many as possible before they scuttle under the oven. Of course they'll be back,but so much fun stompiong them for that few seconds.

[Unsound]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

westmanguy westmanguy:

This false outrage is rather annoying.

Really? because I find this attitude...

$1:

Do I like it? Not particularly. But I realize that its the nature of the game.

...rather annoying.


I think regularly shining a light on the cockroaches is a good thing. Stomp as many as possible before they scuttle under the oven. Of course they'll be back,but so much fun stompiong them for that few seconds.

I think outrage is ok, but as westie said, the false outrage is annoying. Opposition politicions and such who act all schocked and outrage at the kind of thing that would continue to happen if they were in charge...

[DrCaleb]

Unsound Unsound:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

westmanguy westmanguy:

This false outrage is rather annoying.

Really? because I find this attitude...

$1:

Do I like it? Not particularly. But I realize that its the nature of the game.

...rather annoying.


I think regularly shining a light on the cockroaches is a good thing. Stomp as many as possible before they scuttle under the oven. Of course they'll be back,but so much fun stompiong them for that few seconds.

I think outrage is ok, but as westie said, the false outrage is annoying. Opposition politicions and such who act all schocked and outrage at the kind of thing that would continue to happen if they were in charge...

Or Brasil getting their knickers in a knot over us doing the same thing to them that they did to us only a couple years earlier.

[PluggyRug]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

If the G20 diplomats did not expect to be under surveillance then they should not move in diplomatic circles.

So then, why was the official reason for spying on them 'to prevent terrorist activities'? They are the prime targets of terrorist activities, not the prime suspects. Sometimes you just have to trust your allies, not stab them in the back to gain an economic advantage (the actual reason to spy on them).

If you don't have some mutual trust between allies, they end up doing what Pakistan did this week and outing your whole operation and putting many lives at risk.

I agree, however this has always been the case. This revelation is just an example of status quo.