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Title: Family of brutally beaten inmate complain of stonewalling, runaround |
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Strutz
Date: 2013-11-17 10:07:19
Canadian

[Benn]

Love reading the comments at the end of the story. People making ignorant statements about the guards not helping. First off you can beat someone into a permanent vegetative state in under 3 minutes (it's happened here in under that time in Manitoba jails). Now the story says there were two guards on the unit. It fails to inform us how many inmates were free on the unit. A fight breaks out in a cell one guard has to lock up the dozens of other inmates (it would be dozens in that prison), hoping they comply and don't resist, while the other has to attend the cell the beating is going on in. Once there, alone, policy and common sense says he can't enter a cell alone with even two guys fighting. By the time back up arrives it's been at least two minutes and its game over unless the attackers obey verbal commands to stop.

Guards are not at fault, this is one of the many sucky things about jail, you might get hurt. Don't go to jail!

As for the family not being contacted or given information it sounds to me like the prisoner never listed them as emergency contacts when he was admitted, lots of guys do this for any number of reasons. If they were not listed then the wheels of the system have to grind around awhile until someone agrees to release it. Besides, this guy was conscious in hospital, why did he not give verbal consent to release or ask to talk to family? Maybe he doesn't like his family or want their interfearance.

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[Zipperfish]

It's seems to be part of quickly growing trend these days. The government wants to know everything we are doing, but they don't want anyone of us to know what they are doing.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It's seems to be part of quickly growing trend these days. The government wants to know everything we are doing, but they don't want anyone of us to know what they are doing.

Funny to see you coming around to where I was not so many years ago.

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[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It's seems to be part of quickly growing trend these days. The government wants to know everything we are doing, but they don't want anyone of us to know what they are doing.

Funny to see you coming around to where I was not so many years ago.

Well, that NSA business was a bit of a wake-up call for me.

$1:

Most of us don't think this a Democrat-only situation, though

No, I don't think it is. the level of government snooping seems to be common in many countries, regardless of the political bent of its current leaders.

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[Thanos]

Criminals are criminals, and their own bad personal choices put them where they eventually all end up. Self-reflection first, and take on the mantle of personal responsibility too, before the inevitable 'it's all society's fault, not mine' erupts.

[Benn]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

People like to keep jails as chaotic repressive rape-n'-stab centres so as to have the anger that bubbles in their minds vindicated.

There won't be any change, because regardless of personal struggles, these people are to be considered animals, and treated even worse.

At the end of the day, this is considered proper justice. "Karma" perhaps. Nothing short of the miserable tortured murder of each inmate is justice enough.

Fact of the matter is, if eye for an eye is the only thing these people worship, there won't be a society to turn to.

Speaking of those ignorant people I mentioned............

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[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Criminals are criminals, and their own bad personal choices put them where they eventually all end up. Self-reflection first, and take on the mantle of personal responsibility too, before the inevitable 'it's all society's fault, not mine' erupts.

That might be true if there were such a thing as free will, but there probably isn't, according to a lot of recent research and evidence. Given no free will, it changes your persepctive on the justice system.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Thanos Thanos:

Criminals are criminals, and their own bad personal choices put them where they eventually all end up. Self-reflection first, and take on the mantle of personal responsibility too, before the inevitable 'it's all society's fault, not mine' erupts.

That might be true if there were such a thing as free will, but there probably isn't, according to a lot of recent research and evidence. Given no free will, it changes your persepctive on the justice system.

I don't think we need to bring in such a deep question which we have no real answer for.

We should just do a cost benefit analysis - and we find that brutalizing inmates just creates worse criminals, achieves nothing. Most will get out at some point - do we really want to make them worse than when they went in? Do you really lose all your rights to decent treatment because you committed a crime? This is just bloodlust, revenge talking. We'll get much better bang for the buck if we try to reform those that we can, leave the ones who keep doing crimes locked up but in a safe, decent environment. The Scandinavian countries manage to do this, and have much better recidivism rates.

[Benn]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Benn Benn:

this is one of the many sucky things about jail, you might get hurt. Don't go to jail!

You're cool with keeping these places as rape-n'-stab centres, unaltered and unreformed, to satisfy your animalistic needs of vindication; "just desserts".

Missed where I said anything like that. Sometimes it happens, not a lot as far as raping and stabbing goes, but yeah, I stand by the statement that if you don't want to deal with jail then don't go there.

You're description of jail tells me you know little about it.

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Whether the guards did enough isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying people on the outside, like you,

I'm a Correctional Officer you dope! Maybe that was too hard to deduce for you in my first post. The only way I could be more "INSIDE" is if I committed a few crimes, or one big one, so I think I know better than you.

How long have you spent in jail in your life?

[Benn]

andyt andyt:

I don't think we need to bring in such a deep question which we have no real answer for.

We should just do a cost benefit analysis - and we find thatbrutalizing inmates just creates worse criminals, achieves nothing. Most will get out at some point - do we really want to make them worse than when they went in? Do you really lose all your rights to decent treatment because you committed a crime?

Some of you people believe way too much of what you see on TV.

Also our challenges and demographics are quite different than Norway. Not saying they might not have some effect but having looked at them I highly doubt they would have as much effect here. We do have our own programs and they do work to a certain extent, for those who want to change.