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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:12 pm
Boy, I hope that they don't hold Canada responsible for Rwanda.
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Brenda
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:43 pm
A few of my friends served in Srebrenica. They all came back saying they were understaffed, underarmed, and felt useless. They haven't done a 10th of what they signed up for. Or so they said. Some of them suffered a lot mentally...
Btw, this decision is ridiculous. 8000 men were killed by their own government. The Netherlands is responsible for 3, apparently. What about the other 7997? Come on now.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:50 pm
Brenda Brenda: A few of my friends served in Srebrenica. They all came back saying they were understaffed, underarmed, and felt useless. They haven't done a 10th of what they signed up for. Or so they said. Some of them suffered a lot mentally... And now the gov't can drop out a couple extra million euros to boot. That will go over well.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:52 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: Boy, I hope that they don't hold Canada responsible for Rwanda. Don't hold your breath, courts can make all kinds of stupid decisions.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:59 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: Boy, I hope that they don't hold Canada responsible for Rwanda. Canadian troops in Rwanda did what they could with what limited resources they had, they weren't turning defenceless Tutsis over to angry Hutus. Rwanda is such a tiny country that Canada, even with our limited military resources, could have stopped the entire shit show alone. But no, had to defer to the UN.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:24 pm
saturn_656 saturn_656: Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: Boy, I hope that they don't hold Canada responsible for Rwanda. Canadian troops in Rwanda did what they could with what limited resources they had, they weren't turning defenceless Tutsis over to angry Hutus. Rwanda is such a tiny country that Canada, even with our limited military resources, could have stopped the entire shit show alone. But no, had to defer to the UN. "Kofi knew better" ... or so he thought.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:38 pm
It's nice to know that a lawyer and some judges can always find a way to blame some stuff on soldiers who all came back home with PTSD from the things they saw over there. This idiocy is an accurate summation of the bizarro-land world of international "human rights" arguments. "We tried to save them, but couldn't, because the guys In New York who were in charge said we weren't allowed to ever shoot back at anyone who was shooting at us, so it's all our fault but not the fault of the psychopaths who were digging the holes, pulling the triggers, and swinging the machetes and axes around, and then their families decided to sue us for it 20 years later and then some judges and lawyers who never went near a battlefield in their entire lives decided we're worse than Hitler and.........". Hoo boy. Here's hoping the idea of peace-keeping is altogether buried after this kind of twisted legalese bullshit decision. 
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:43 pm
Politicians and bureaucrats are the ones to blame.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:48 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: Politicians and bureaucrats are the ones to blame. That's right. Those Dutch soldiers were in that weird place due to circumstances way beyond their control. If this was a typical U.N. gig, their rules of engagement were probably are clear as tar and as logical as Lindsey Lohan. The U.N. should be on trial, here.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:56 pm
$1: It's nice to know that a lawyer and some judges can always find a way to blame some stuff on soldiers
Not the soldiers, the Netherlands government is blamed. $1: so it's all our fault but not the fault of the psychopaths who were digging the holes
Nobody's saying the Serbs weren't primarily to blame. But when Dutch politicians decide to hand people over to a mass-murderer, they have some culpability too. $1: But no, had to defer to the UN.
Let's not pretend the Chretien gov't wanted it either.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:14 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: Politicians and bureaucrats are the ones to blame. That's right. Those Dutch soldiers were in that weird place due to circumstances way beyond their control. If this was a typical U.N. gig, their rules of engagement were probably are clear as tar and as logical as Lindsey Lohan. The U.N. should be on trial, here. I remember they had trouble with ROEs in Somalia too.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:58 pm
$1: The victims were among thousands of Muslims who took shelter in the UN compound as Bosnian Serb forces commanded by Gen. Ratko Mladic overran Srebrenica on July 11, 1995. Two days later, the outnumbered Dutch peacekeepers bowed to pressure from Mladic’s troops and forced thousands of Muslim families out of the compound. Fuck that. I'd have died fighting before surrendering to thugs. I'd rather be dead then have to deal with letting innocent people die.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:15 pm
martin14 martin14: Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: Boy, I hope that they don't hold Canada responsible for Rwanda. Don't hold your breath, courts can make all kinds of stupid decisions. Ask Daillaire why he won't ever visit Belguim in his lifetime. 
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:15 pm
Damn double post. 
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