[Newsbot]

Title: Syrian rebels 'execute teenager' in Aleppo
Category: World
Posted By: commanderkai
Date: 2013-06-10 09:36:42

[martin14]

And these are the chumps we are supposed to be helping ?

Just how fucking stupid are we ?

[commanderkai]

martin14 martin14:

And these are the chumps we are supposed to be helping ?

Just how fucking stupid are we ?

Well, we're not exactly invading yet, so I don't think we're helping them all too much. The whole story is just pathetically sad. The kid gets executed because he's saying an expression along the lines of "Even if Jesus Christ came down from Heaven for some coffee, I'm not giving him a tab."

It's a tragedy, really. As much as it's easy to lump these people into pro-government/pro-rebel groups, a huge percentage of them are just trying to have some semblance of normalcy.

[bambu]

martin14 martin14:

And these are the chumps we are supposed to be helping ?

Just how fucking stupid are we ?

. Yes. Personally I wouldn't give them 5 cents, or the time of day.

. Not stupid, just maybe not totally informed of who and what the "Muslim rebels of the Arab Spring" truly are.

[jeff744]

How is this any different from American soldiers that go off base and massacre Afghan civilians? Soldiers are trained for combat and yet even they commit war crimes by intentionally killing innocents and desecrating bodies. These are random people that came off the street, had at most a couple weeks of training, been given a gun and then told to fight. War isn't pretty and there will always be men who act out their own form of justice while not representing the whole. These are also the people that were willing to fight, very few but the highest leaders will have any chance at becoming the leadership of the country.

[CharlesAnthony]

I bet $100 that they were not "rebels" at all. Hello??? They were agent provocateurs sent to stir up rebellion so that the media can report back to us --- the stupid Western tax-payers who fund the international mercenary industry.

Newsbot Newsbot:

Abdel Rahman said the rebel group likely comprised foreigners.
"They spoke classical Arabic, not Syrian dialect," he said.

No surprise there.

Yeah, we are stupid because we believe these poor people are threatening us -- we can not see false-flag operations even when they hit us in the face.

[stratos]

jeff744 jeff744:

How is this any different from American soldiers that go off base and massacre Afghan civilians? Soldiers are trained for combat and yet even they commit war crimes by intentionally killing innocents and desecrating bodies. These are random people that came off the street, had at most a couple weeks of training, been given a gun and then told to fight. War isn't pretty and there will always be men who act out their own form of justice while not representing the whole. These are also the people that were willing to fight, very few but the highest leaders will have any chance at becoming the leadership of the country.

Then again the ones who did this will not be facing trial for murder where a American soldier would and has. This is the difference one group at least attempts to hold it's soldiers responsible for their actions while the other could care less. They fight for a cause and in many ways that cause will not take on the face of the leaders but the face of the soilders who fight for and aginst the cause.

[BartSimpson]

jeff744 jeff744:

How is this any different from American soldiers that go off base and massacre Afghan civilians?

It's different because the commanders of the mutt in Syria approve of what their soldier did. The American in question was arrested and prosecuted by his commanders and now he may also receive the death penalty.

By the way, -5 for the crappy and insulting comparison.

[redhatmamma]

It's a good reason not to support either side as some of the rebels are backed by Al Qaeda who is using this war to further their own agenda.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... state.html

I don't buy the 'agent provocateur' idea either. According to Al Jazeera it was "An unidentified Islamist rebel group ' so it's pretty hard to know who the good guys really are.

[BartSimpson]

There are no 'good guys' in this fracas. Only bad guys (Assad) and worse bad guys (Al Qaeda allied rebels).

[jeff744]

stratos stratos:

jeff744 jeff744:

How is this any different from American soldiers that go off base and massacre Afghan civilians? Soldiers are trained for combat and yet even they commit war crimes by intentionally killing innocents and desecrating bodies. These are random people that came off the street, had at most a couple weeks of training, been given a gun and then told to fight. War isn't pretty and there will always be men who act out their own form of justice while not representing the whole. These are also the people that were willing to fight, very few but the highest leaders will have any chance at becoming the leadership of the country.

Then again the ones who did this will not be facing trial for murder where a American soldier would and has. This is the difference one group at least attempts to hold it's soldiers responsible for their actions while the other could care less. They fight for a cause and in many ways that cause will not take on the face of the leaders but the face of the soilders who fight for and aginst the cause.

Hard to have a court when you don't have a country, these are soldiers and leaders that were willing to pick up arms to fight against oppression and you want them to be the perfect citizens? Those people are the ones we like to call "collateral damage" because they refused to fight in the first place but still got caught in the fight. The western world has created an image of the noble war where the soldiers are only concerned with other soldiers but these aren't soldiers, they are armed shopkeepers, delivery boys, teachers, and all other kinds of jobs. War isn't pretty and there are countless examples of trained soldiers, including NATO/allies, going off killing civilians, these guys ended up using their twisted personal belief of the laws to execute someone.

[stratos]

$1:

Hard to have a court when you don't have a country, these are soldiers and leaders that were willing to pick up arms to fight against oppression and you want them to be the perfect citizens? Those people are the ones we like to call "collateral damage" because they refused to fight in the first place but still got caught in the fight. The western world has created an image of the noble war where the soldiers are only concerned with other soldiers but these aren't soldiers, they are armed shopkeepers, delivery boys, teachers, and all other kinds of jobs. War isn't pretty and there are countless examples of trained soldiers, including NATO/allies, going off killing civilians, these guys ended up using their twisted personal belief of the laws to execute someone.

Not denying any of the above except to add in that with all those examples of trained soilders going off on killing sprees in, I'm guessing here, 90% have gone to court over it. Thus the face of the country, people and so forth is hopefully seen as not condoneing these wantan acts of violence. Where for the rebels acts like these, because they have no authority to regin them in, gets worse and becomes the face of their cause for the world.

[jeff744]

stratos stratos:

$1:

Hard to have a court when you don't have a country, these are soldiers and leaders that were willing to pick up arms to fight against oppression and you want them to be the perfect citizens? Those people are the ones we like to call "collateral damage" because they refused to fight in the first place but still got caught in the fight. The western world has created an image of the noble war where the soldiers are only concerned with other soldiers but these aren't soldiers, they are armed shopkeepers, delivery boys, teachers, and all other kinds of jobs. War isn't pretty and there are countless examples of trained soldiers, including NATO/allies, going off killing civilians, these guys ended up using their twisted personal belief of the laws to execute someone.

Not denying any of the above except to add in that with all those examples of trained soilders going off on killing sprees in, I'm guessing here, 90% have gone to court over it. Thus the face of the country, people and so forth is hopefully seen as not condoneing these wantan acts of violence. Where for the rebels acts like these, because they have no authority to regin them in, gets worse and becomes the face of their cause for the world.

Thing is though, we have no idea if a court will or will not prosecute them after the warm, the non Al-Qaeda groups are getting more organized now too but it is much slower. These people started a war for democracy, hard to see them abandoning it in favour of another dictatorship.

[ShepherdsDog]

Religious extremists in Syria have been launching rebellions against the Assad family to try and overthrow secularism for the past half century. I thought a good socialist like yourself would appreciate the Baathist Party

[ShepherdsDog]

can't rep you. Remind me to do so later