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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 1:57 pm
 


Title: Japan admits that past denial of sex slavery may have been wrong
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Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2013-05-08 11:34:47


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 1:57 pm
 


Nothing new from the same gang that has been denying it since 1945.

Even then, at this stage, a real apology from them would mean very little, if anything at all.


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 2:32 pm
 


The Japanese are an odd lot. Admitting that they did thse things is powerfully shameful to them in ways that most people in the modern West simply cannot fathom.

I'm not saying that I approve of their attitude, but I understand.


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 2:49 pm
 


Not sure that the Japan of today is as hung up on honour, as the generation that lived in the first half of the 20th century.


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 3:57 pm
 


It "may" have been wrong? 8O

Typical Japan...


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:25 pm
 


ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Not sure that the Japan of today is as hung up on honour, as the generation that lived in the first half of the 20th century.


'Losing face' is still a very big thing to them. It's not tied to the militaristic version of bushido like it used to be, but it's still there all the same.

The Japanese are also acutely aware of the Western abuse of a sincere apology - something else that is still a very big thing in Japan. I mention it because this factors into their avoidance of the question of any guilt for just about anything that has to do with foreign diplomacy.

In Japan one can be responsible for something awful and then offer a sincere apology and most people will accept that and forgive whatever the offence was. Partly because refusing a such an apology in their country is akin to telling someone to go kill themselves as that is one of the predictable things that happens to people who cannot redeem themselves socially.

In the West we like to demand that people apologize for whatever they did and then we routinely turn around and use their apology as an admission of guilt. And instead of accepting the apology we use it as a weapon to destroy the person who apologized.

Example:

A Japanese politician gets caught in a moderate level scandal. S/he apologizes and grovels appropriately and keeps his/her job. Might lose their next election, but they don't get hounded out of office.

A Western politician gets caught in a minor social gaffe...not even a scandal...and apologizes and then the demands start for the person to resign and to be hounded to the ends of the earth.

To the Japanese mind we're a bunch of duplicitous barbarians who spit on people who apologize in good faith...so why bother dealing with us on our terms in the first place?

They not only have nothing to gain from such a public acknowledgement they fully anticipate (based on our past behavior) that we'll use their earnest apology as a weapon against them.

And maybe they're right.


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:05 pm
 


It's fascinating which murderous regimes you can have some empathy which and which ones you do not. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:31 pm
 


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It's fascinating which murderous regimes you can have some empathy which and which ones you do not. :lol:


The words it's fascinating what use you what you're saying describe. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:49 pm
 


MeganC MeganC:
Gunnair Gunnair:
It's fascinating which murderous regimes you can have some empathy which and which ones you do not. :lol:


The words it's fascinating what use you what you're saying describe. :mrgreen:


I guess we both speak gibberish.


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To the Japanese mind we're a bunch of duplicitous barbarians who spit on people who apologize in good faith...so why bother dealing with us on our terms in the first place?

They not only have nothing to gain from such a public acknowledgement they fully anticipate (based on our past behavior) that we'll use their earnest apology as a weapon against them.

And maybe they're right.

Well, their refusal to acknowledge the atrocities they committed is one reason I so no need to apologize for the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 6:28 am
 


FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
To the Japanese mind we're a bunch of duplicitous barbarians who spit on people who apologize in good faith...so why bother dealing with us on our terms in the first place?

They not only have nothing to gain from such a public acknowledgement they fully anticipate (based on our past behavior) that we'll use their earnest apology as a weapon against them.

And maybe they're right.

Well, their refusal to acknowledge the atrocities they committed is one reason I so no need to apologize for the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


Well, there is certain degree of karma going on there.


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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 6:29 am
 


Proportionality should be a guideline in war.



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FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
To the Japanese mind we're a bunch of duplicitous barbarians who spit on people who apologize in good faith...so why bother dealing with us on our terms in the first place?

They not only have nothing to gain from such a public acknowledgement they fully anticipate (based on our past behavior) that we'll use their earnest apology as a weapon against them.

And maybe they're right.

Well, their refusal to acknowledge the atrocities they committed is one reason I so no need to apologize for the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


There isn't anything to apologize for. Had we attempted to defeat Japan conventionally the death toll on both sides would have been much higher.

Plus being new tech, nukes didn't really have the negative stigma they do now. Their use wasn't "unthinkable".


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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 6:48 am
 


saturn_656 saturn_656:
Had we attempted to defeat Japan conventionally the death toll on both sides would have been much higher.

That's complete fiction, long debunked.

saturn_656 saturn_656:
Plus being new tech, nukes didn't really have the negative stigma they do now. Their use wasn't "unthinkable".

Good point.


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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 7:07 am
 


Lemmy Lemmy:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Had we attempted to defeat Japan conventionally the death toll on both sides would have been much higher.

That's complete fiction, long debunked.


When was this? Even if modern historians might disagree with the original assessments made by American military planners over Operation Downfall, those original predictions, at the time, were certainly real, even if their predictions were declared faulty after the fact.

Hell, considering 500,000 Purple Hearts were made in preparation for the invasion of Japan, the American military and government expected significant casualties in any invasion.


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