[DrCaleb]

jeff744 jeff744:

andyt andyt:

Jeez Jeff. This system automatically records licences plate numbers. And it keeps that record on file. There is no effort or expense involved. If they want, they can go back an review that record any time. In a normal situation it's no biggie. But we want to guard against this sort of thing from being misused.

Why are you defending them keeping this info on file? What is the benefit that you see that outweighs the dangers?

Oooooh, you scared the big bad RCMP is going to spend the time to find out you visited BC a few weeks ago or you were driving in the area you live?

Yes. Law enforcement should never have the right in a free society to track the movements of lawful citizens going about their daily buisness.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Jeez Jeff. This system automatically records licences plate numbers. And it keeps that record on file. There is no effort or expense involved. If they want, they can go back an review that record any time. In a normal situation it's no biggie. But we want to guard against this sort of thing from being misused.

Why are you defending them keeping this info on file? What is the benefit that you see that outweighs the dangers?

Did you read the article andy?

$1:

data that's not linked to a crime isn't used, and in fact it's deleted from the system as soon as it's transferred to the RCMP server.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The issuse is that with a few easy modifications, they could indefinitely keep that information. Since they don't have to inform the public before they do, it's up to us to keep an eye on use of such technology.

We have no guaranteed right to privacy, we only have that which we claim for ourselves. We have to say "this far, and no further" because once lost it's very difficult to get back.

And with a few easy modifications, they could listen to our calls, track our internet use, our cell use and even our driving habits.

The bottom line is, it's not being done nor is there intent to do that.

[andyt]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

Jeez Jeff. This system automatically records licences plate numbers. And it keeps that record on file. There is no effort or expense involved. If they want, they can go back an review that record any time. In a normal situation it's no biggie. But we want to guard against this sort of thing from being misused.

Why are you defending them keeping this info on file? What is the benefit that you see that outweighs the dangers?

Did you read the article andy?

$1:

data that's not linked to a crime isn't used, and in fact it's deleted from the system as soon as it's transferred to the RCMP server.

No, I'll admit I didn't. I went with this quote from FOG

$1:

"Collecting personal information for law enforcement purposes does not extend to retaining information on the suspicionless activities of citizens just in case it may be useful in the future,"

by the privacy commissioner.

If they're not keeping the data, I have no problem with it. Just make sure that the guarantees that they're not keeping it are ironclad.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The issuse is that with a few easy modifications, they could indefinitely keep that information. Since they don't have to inform the public before they do, it's up to us to keep an eye on use of such technology.

We have no guaranteed right to privacy, we only have that which we claim for ourselves. We have to say "this far, and no further" because once lost it's very difficult to get back.

And with a few easy modifications, they could listen to our calls, track our internet use, our cell use and even our driving habits.

The bottom line is, it's not being done nor is there intent to do that.

"You are with us, or you are with the child pornographers" - Vic Toews

And that was just in the name of Hollywood. There is a will. There is just too much resistance right now, and people need to maintain that resistance. Authority figures always use 'think of the children' or threats like terrorism to get all sorts of hooks into our lives. People are becoming less enraged at 9 year olds and grannies getting public pat downs looking for explosives in the name of 'terrorism'.

I know you don't share my pessimism with regards to authority. I assure you; I don't believe every authority figure wants to know everthing about every citizen, or that every authority figure is secretly a brown shirt, but as I've said before I had family that grew up in pre and post Nazi Germany. Everything begins with baby steps. Recognizing and stopping the steps early isn't paranoia.

[Brenda]

$1:

automatic licence plate scans

Forgive me my ignorance here, but wth are they talking about? Who is scanning who, and when?

[Benn]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

automatic licence plate scans

Forgive me my ignorance here, but wth are they talking about? Who is scanning who, and when?

Police, on the side of the road / fixed scanners (at least in Europe), scanning you, whenever they want.

If you've ever driven over the US boarder you've had your plates scanned already.

It is then sent to the illuminati for filing.

[Brenda]

Benn Benn:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

automatic licence plate scans

Forgive me my ignorance here, but wth are they talking about? Who is scanning who, and when?

Police, on the side of the road / fixed scanners (at least in Europe), scanning you, whenever they want.

If you've ever driven over the US boarder you've had your plates scanned already.

It is then sent to the illuminati for filing.

Well, yeah, in the Netherlands, you are scanned every so many 100 meters (speeding), or toll, or whatever, there are camera's everywhere.
Here, the only camera's I have seen are red light light camera's and police cars trying to catch you speeding.

When you cross the border, not just your plates are scanned, also your passport, and in my case, my finger prints and mug shot too, for a visa waiver.

If this is all (the cops doing their random speed trap thing), then I don't give a crap.
My IP and internet surfing habits as well as my phone calls and text messages are stored on some server, as well as my cc-transactions, which makes it pretty clear where I have been. Whatever.

[DrCaleb]

Benn Benn:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

automatic licence plate scans

Forgive me my ignorance here, but wth are they talking about? Who is scanning who, and when?

Police, on the side of the road / fixed scanners (at least in Europe), scanning you, whenever they want.

If you've ever driven over the US boarder you've had your plates scanned already.

It is then sent to the illuminati for filing.

What he said. In the US, they will sit on onramps for freeways, photo each plate and use character recognition to run every plate through computers to find stolen cars, expired registrations etc and stop those cars.

Which I applaud. Great use of technology.

But some municiplaities keep this information, some for an unspecified length of time. Which I do not agree with.

[Xort]

No data should be saved or passed on, it should only be a scan check.

[Brenda]

Xort Xort:

No data should be saved or passed on, it should only be a scan check.

THAT I agree with.

[Gunnair]