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No, but seemingly you have a difficult time understanding that civilian casualties will still be high, considering the type of environment Hamas built its infrastructure in. Even then, Israel, and everybody else knows that mosques, hospitals, schools, and other civilian infrastructure is being used by Hamas, and yet Israel doesn't just bomb them upon discovery.
How do you know that they don't? They told you?
Sure, they told me, and showed me, considering huge swaths of Gaza aren't rubble, even though Israel does have complete legitimacy to destroy facilities being used for munition storage and tunnel entrances. Israel knows that Shifa Hospital is being used as a base of operations for Hamas, and as cover for rocket launches, and yet, that hospital is still standing. Shit, I must be in the inner sanctum of Israeli leadership.
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I am arguing that they are ignoring civilian casualties, at best at least to the extend that they can get away with publicaly. So you think 1200 causalities is being careful, I don't. You have no evidence that if they didn't "care" they death toll would be higher, I would argue that if they were careful it would be much lower, apparently most the rest of the world agrees with me.
And how, pray tell, could it be lower? Israel does warn neighborhoods as best as they can before beginning major operations (thus compromising any surprise to actual Hamas fighters in the area) and they are moving in ground forces when they can easily just use air and artillery to destroy Hamas from afar, at the expense of higher civilian casualties. Why, if Israel truly did not care to limit civilian casualties, move any ground forces in, when they can accomplish their goals using their technological superiority in air and artillery?
"The rest of the world agreeing with you" is just argumentum ad populum. So lots of people agree with you, and lots of people agree with me. That adds absolutely nothing to the discussion or debate.
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OK, so the battle has to take place on the settlements in order for it to be about the settlements ? Now you are just being silly. The battlefield and the reasons for conflict can exist independently from each other, just like every single war the US has fought in "defence" has never been fought on their soil.
Well, you're the one saying that Israel is waging this conflict to protect billions of investments in settlements...except Israeli settlements in the West Bank are not at risk, and there are no Israeli settlements in Gaza. To quote you:
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This is clearly not about the preservation of life.This is about the billions spent in the development of the settlements built on Palestinian land.
This is what you attributed to Israel's reason for the war, but the evidence, and common sense, basically discounts your poorly formed opinion on Israel's motivations for the conflict.
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Not sure what this is meant to demonstate, even a military hospital is a hospital, you ever watch M.A.S.H ?
Oh I don't know, Hamas is using civilian infrastructure to hide its leadership and fire rockets from. First you wanted proof Hamas is using said hospital, and now that the proof exists, you only have to say "So what?" because, it's a military hospital or something, and absolutely nothing about how a terrorist group is using hundreds of innocent civilians as human shields to carry out their conflict with Israel.
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They chose nothing they can't leave. it's a prison. Haven't you heard?
Yeah, of Hamas' own making. Haven't you heard? Egypt also has a border with Gaza...and seemingly they also keep the border shut. Man, what is with countries not wanting free flow of goods and people into terrorist controlled territory?
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OK so it's illegal for him to do it so does that make it OK to bomb it ? The hospital has no control over my action.
Except if your little terrorist group uses a school for a munitions dump, is it a school, or is it a munitions dump? The answer is the latter. You made it into such a location and as such, you're at fault for when your enemy blows it up. Now, obviously, because in this situation, you're terrorist scum, you are gleeful over the deaths of your own people who might be nearby, who you obviously didn't mention that the schoolhouse over there was full of rockets and explosives, but you know, fuck 'em and not joining your righteous cause and all that.
Hamas specifically chose locations to house such munitions, and Israel does try to limit casualties, but they aren't going to expose themselves to needless risk doing so.
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