[DerbyX]

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DerbyX DerbyX:

In 50 years we might have evolved socially top the point where we don't need guns. Have you considered that?

yes, I have considered that.
in 50 years, criminals and governments will not have evolved to the point where citizens dont need guns.

How do you figure? For all you know all criminals will be white collar computer crims because nobody is using paper money anymore.

As for governments will always be a threat..... how? Explain how the government can be a threat against you that a gun will actually help? Criminals all have guns and they aren't a grave threat. In fact crime is so far down as a threat compared to other things I never ever worry about it, at least not crime I'll need a gun for.

I'm more worried about online threats to my money. I'm more worried about health issues and environment issues far more then crime. A gun won't help me there.

Its one thing to take the position you are a law abiding citizen and deserve the ability to own a gun. I agree with that position entirely but some fear of big bad government? Not so.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Derby, the NRA will continue to support gun rights in Canada so long as anti-gun activists from Canada continue to support gun bans in the USA. I have to suck up your people exercising their liberties to muck around with our politics so you get to do the same.

Oh goody. Muslims will continue to force their views on your country as long as your military is being used to force it on others.

Better go out and buy your prayer mat Bart or will you demand every US soldier leave all Muslim lands before you continue to demand Muslims in the US stop doing what they are doing.

The only thing this NRA thing is going to do is backfire so you guys should be the ones concerned. It has very little chance of driving anti-gun registry people into the pro-registry camp but it might drive neutrals into the pro-registry camp.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Oh goody. Muslims will continue to force their views on your country as long as your military is being used to force it on others.

No, they won't. You forgot that we're armed and don't have to put up with that sh*t.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Oh goody. Muslims will continue to force their views on your country as long as your military is being used to force it on others.

No, they won't. You forgot that we're armed and don't have to put up with that sh*t.

So are they and they are just as committed. Besides, its not the armed ones you give your warnings about. Its the unarmed ones immigrating to your country.

Under your laws they are freely allowed to buy as many guns as they want.

Hmmm, a Muslim population arming itself to prevent their rights and religious practices being interfered with by the government. Sounds just like the kind of Americans you support.

[Zipperfish]

ASLplease ASLplease:

sounds a bit racist/anti-american/bigoted( or whatever you prefer to call it) to me. you are disqualifying their values simply because of where they are from. surely, Canada would be at a loss if we refused amercian diabetes association support, or united steel workers of america support, or Americaon medical association support.

Adn I rest my case. Along comes the original one-trick pony, banging his drum.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Why assume that your government would use that against you?

A nation of unarmed civilians protected by a military that is itself incapable of securing it's own landmass is a pretty tempting target.

One would think so. Jefferson thought the conquest of Canada would be a "mere matter of marhcing," no doubt reaching that conclusion along a similar line of thinking. Didn't quite turn out that way though. Madison tried it and got his ass roaylly kicked.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Hmmm, a Muslim population arming itself to prevent their rights and religious practices being interfered with by the government. Sounds just like the kind of Americans you support.

I have no problem with that so long as non-muslims are also able to protect their rights and religious/non-religious practices being interfered with.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

One would think so. Jefferson thought the conquest of Canada would be a "mere matter of marhcing," no doubt reaching that conclusion along a similar line of thinking. Didn't quite turn out that way though. Madison tried it and got his ass roaylly kicked.

Indeed. And who did the kicking?

The military in Canada that successfully defended Canada was primarily composed of volunteer militias who organized on their own and who used their own weapons in combat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_u ... ar_of_1812

I didn't know you were on my side in this argument, but thanks for the help!

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Hmmm, a Muslim population arming itself to prevent their rights and religious practices being interfered with by the government. Sounds just like the kind of Americans you support.

I have no problem with that so long as non-muslims are also able to protect their rights and religious/non-religious practices being interfered with.

The trouble is it is consistently the west that has problems with their practices.

Should the supporters of PArk51 use guns to ensure their community centre gets built?

Can they use guns to "overrule" the government in matters of culture/religion, such as the very sensible decision made in Australia earlier today? Would it be OK for the family to enforce their family decision?

How about female circumcision being done in America with practitioners supported with force?

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Indeed. And who did the kicking?

The military in Canada that successfully defended Canada was primarily composed of volunteer militias who organized on their own and who used their own weapons in combat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_u ... ar_of_1812

I didn't know you were on my side in this argument, but thanks for the help!

I am on your side of the argument when it comes to gun control. However, it seems to be a common myth that we are somehow sitting ducks for the next time the Americans want to invade.

In fact, gun ownership is not particuarly low in Canada. Lots of folks have guns. I'd have one if I lived outside the city.

And I think Canada's military history will demonstrate that we're not a bunch of bunny rabbits here.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Should the supporters of PArk51 use guns to ensure their community centre gets built?

Beats what they did to get the clothing store out of that location.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I am on your side of the argument when it comes to gun control. However, it seems to be a common myth that we are somehow sitting ducks for the next time the Americans want to invade.

In fact, gun ownership is not particuarly low in Canada. Lots of folks have guns. I'd have one if I lived outside the city.

And I think Canada's military history will demonstrate that we're not a bunch of bunny rabbits here.

And I think you know I am an ardent supporter of a strong Canada. Yes, Canadians are not a bunch of bunny rabbits. I know that. I'd also like to keep it that way.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Should the supporters of PArk51 use guns to ensure their community centre gets built?

Beats what they did to get the clothing store out of that location.

They didn't. Exceedingly more blame lies at the feet of your CIA and your countries dependence or foreign oil.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

And I think you know I am an ardent supporter of a strong Canada. Yes, Canadians are not a bunch of bunny rabbits. I know that. I'd also like to keep it that way.

Cheers mate!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

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sounds a bit racist/anti-american/bigoted( or whatever you prefer to call it) to me. you are disqualifying their values simply because of where they are from. surely, Canada would be at a loss if we refused amercian diabetes association support, or united steel workers of america support, or Americaon medical association support.

Duhhh, those aren't values Talk about arguing for the sake of arguing.
There you go throwing around the old racist flag again. Is your arm getting tired yet? And pray tell me how I'm bigoted/racist/anti-American because I have issue with ONE particular American lobby group operating here? I guess my American friends that think the NRA are a bunch of tools are anti-themselves
The NRA isn't a massive industry like the steelworkers, and it ain't a charitable organization like the Diabetes Assoc, and it ain't a professional health organization like the AMA. The NRA are a LOBBY group.
But then again, I never expected you to see the difference with those blinders you have on.