[EyeBrock]

There's lots of that stuff in Europe andy.

Many English festivals have pagan roots and a lot of people celebrate Norse/Celtic/Angle/Jute shit too.

I agree with Martin. You need to get out more!

[EyeBrock]

Oh and I forgot the boddy Romans and Normans who left us a few interesting little festivals.

Italians and French! Buggers.

[kenmore]

desertdung.... get with the program! Québecers are Québecois(e) who speak french. french is a language..

[ShepherdsDog]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Oh and I forgot the boddy Romans and Normans who left us a few interesting little festivals.

wops and froggies! Buggers.

I object. The Normans were Norse who merely learned to croak, after conquering the region.

[desertdude]

kenmore kenmore:

desertdung.... get with the program! Québecers are Québecois(e) who speak french. french is a language..

Point proven, I rest my case

[desertdude]

Right Jeff, I'll go step by step in case you start complaining again.

Nigerian Women : So its ok because it colourfull has has printed patterns ? So a colourfull burqa with pink flowers is alright with you..... Riiight. So now the state should also hand out fashion regulations. Iran and Saudia anyone ?

Security : Bombers in disguise blowing up troops etc etc Seriously mate. A burqa ia the only thing that can be used for such purposes. That's the lamest argument I've heard till now, unfortunately not for the first time though.

Like I said earlier if banning the burqa seems legitimate to you then so should be Nuns, priests, rabbis, monks, skull caps, crucifixes, stars of david etc etc should all be banned. Right ? How can you compare wanting to dress a certain a way and asking for drugs. And also mentioned by others aswell. The burqa is not "Islamic" its a cultural thing and not religious at all.

I also never suggested that they should be given any special treatment or have any laws bypassed to accommodate them.

Issues of Identity for securitity, what about transvestites for example. They are walking about in the open among you and you don't even know there correct gender. Oh what will you do ! There a million ways to conceal ones identity if one wants to without having to go to such extremes, and do you seriously think if someone was planing to carry out an attack or crime in a western society or country what would they go as. A woman clad in head to toe in black standing out like a sore thumb and attracting everyone's attention or try to blend in. Think about it. And like I said the burqa does not conceal the face, gender or ones identity anyways.

The one example you gave was of a war zone where norms of everyday hardly apply and the niqaab/face veil and not the burqa.

$1:

Namely that the whole reason you ban something is not at all for religious reasoning in civilized society. It's because you have sound logical evidence that shows the danger the item causes.

Care to share that evidence with us mate. How many robberies, murders, kidnappings, car jacking, assualts, terror attacks etc etc have taken place in Europe or North America. Or how studies have show that burqa wearing individuals are more likely to have such criminal tendencies.

If that was the case why not ban alcohol ( Oh boy now I've done it, opened up a can of worms ) There is more evidence and stats that more violent crime is done under the influence of alcohol than the burqa !

In a nutshell just not comfortable having to share the same space with someone not like you and most of all the stigma attached to it. And grasping at straws to make it sound like a legitimate argument for its banning. Just like when all of a sudden a mentally or physically handicapped person walks into the room. All of a sudden majority of the people are not at ease anymore and some darn right extremely uncomfortable.

Nobody said you have to like it, and your entitled to your opinion. But that does not mean that's sufficient ground to outlaw it on your personal choice.

Like I said and you agreed, you'd be better off and sound more logical by canvassing for liberation of the brutal and physically damaging treatment of women in western society trying to fit in the norms of what they think female beauty is by wearing high heels.

Cheers

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

There's lots of that stuff in Europe andy.

Many English festivals have pagan roots and a lot of people celebrate Norse/Celtic/Angle/Jute shit too.

I agree with Martin. You need to get out more!

My point, which you both seem so eager to ignore, is that if burkas are banned, no exceptions, then any sort of mask worn in public should be banned too - including full coverage motorcycle helmets.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I can't believe how the Saudis get away with it all. Wahhabism is a global evil and the Saudis are bank rolling jihadis across the planet.

Yup--it's enough to fuel (no pun intended) a good conspiracy theory. Osamam is a Saud. 9/11 was perpetrated primarily by Saudis. A bunch of bin Laden Saudis were actually meeting with the Bush-connected Carlyle Group when the planes hit the World Trade Center. And yet, they're still our good buddies.

The other main actors in 9/11 were Afghanistan (who gave Al Qaeda a stable base from which to operate) and Pakistan, who's ISI is suspoected to have handled 9/11 finances.

[andyt]

And Pakistan gets huge military aid from the US. You don't mean.....

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

There's lots of that stuff in Europe andy.

Many English festivals have pagan roots and a lot of people celebrate Norse/Celtic/Angle/Jute shit too.

I agree with Martin. You need to get out more!

My point, which you both seem so eager to ignore, is that if burkas are banned, no exceptions, then any sort of mask worn in public should be banned too - including full coverage motorcycle helmets.

They should also ban green pants. Leprechauns wear green pants. Did you see that moive "Leprechaun"? Freaky shit, man. And Harleys. Ban those too. Actually, motorcycles in general. Did I mention diving boards?

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

And Pakistan gets huge military aid from the US. You don't mean.....

No I certianly don't. Conspiracy theorists are like Creationists. They assume that no complex scheme can come about without an overarching guiding intelligence behind it.

[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

There's lots of that stuff in Europe andy.

Many English festivals have pagan roots and a lot of people celebrate Norse/Celtic/Angle/Jute shit too.

I agree with Martin. You need to get out more!

My point, which you both seem so eager to ignore, is that if burkas are banned, no exceptions, then any sort of mask worn in public should be banned too - including full coverage motorcycle helmets.

Scroll back a bit and you'll see that I mention it can't be done here so it's moot point.

But there is rather a difference between pointy-headed Spaniards doing a weird fete once a year and chicks wearing black sacks with slits to see through 24/7.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

andyt andyt:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

There's lots of that stuff in Europe andy.

Many English festivals have pagan roots and a lot of people celebrate Norse/Celtic/Angle/Jute shit too.

I agree with Martin. You need to get out more!

My point, which you both seem so eager to ignore, is that if burkas are banned, no exceptions, then any sort of mask worn in public should be banned too - including full coverage motorcycle helmets.

Scroll back a bit and you'll see that I mention it can't be done here so it's moot point.

But there is rather a difference between pointy-headed Spaniards doing a weird fete once a year and chicks wearing black sacks with slits to see through 24/7.

Well the discussion is about there, not here. And Spain is close enough to France that there might be some spill over.

Of course there's a difference. But still, if I was arguing against the Burka ban (actually I am arguing against a total ban) I would bring those guys up. Or, as they do in Canada, bring up balaclavas - so what the ban only applies when the temp is above a certain level. That's the problem with blanket bans, you get all sorts of ridiculous situations. Better to ban it when required - for id purposes, for example, and in that case ban all face coverings equally as relates to that situation.

[EyeBrock]

I agree with you on a ban. How can a free an democratic society outlaw clothing?

[EyeBrock]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Oh and I forgot the boddy Romans and Normans who left us a few interesting little festivals.

wops and froggies! Buggers.

I object. The Normans were Norse who merely learned to croak, after conquering the region.

They were the fiesty end of the French. That's why Norman culture reasonated so well with all the various half-breeds that rampaged around the UK for a thousand years or so.