[EyeBrock]

Old Chum, nice thoughts.

The bad things that happened to the natives are history. Just like the plantation in Eire, the potato famine and Juno Beach.

White guys might start listening when the natives stop bleating and start to make a meaningful effort to help themselves and start becoming true Canadians.

[PENATRATOR]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

martin14 martin14:

But yet you are allowed to make obelisk comments without any problems.


My comments were personal Donny, maybe you should learn to read.

$1:

Honest and hard working people

hmmm, here's a couple who aren't:

current-events-f59/natives-are-just-as-corrupt-as-the-rest-of-us-t85148-30.html





And you still havent answered any of Raydans questions....

I know your comments were personal. That is what makes you a racist. Assuming that I am drinking because "checks are out" is a racist and hurtful statement.

I just further shows your ignorance. I really don't care to respond to anything you say. Every day me and my kids and our family have grown up hard working paying taxes and living in Canadian society.

Then someone like you comes along has to assert their superiority by assuming that we are drunks or on welfare. You’re pathetic. You make me sick. I hope that your kids are ashamed of the views that you teach them about us natives.

Do me a favour and don't bother responding or communicating with me on this site. You are a disgrace to Canadians and to your race.

Get off your fucking soapbox before you fall and have to call the WAmbulance.
You are the biggest fucking racist on this site, you could turn a thread about childrens tv programing into a "whitey fucked us over" thread. Brasco, you have no credibility here, just go away.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

Must really suck to be so white and so mighty but you actually are being subverted by your own processes and your own system! By a bunch of Indians! LMFAO...

Yeah sure. Pat yourself on the back. I wonder if you'll remember all this hate next time our money comes to your rescue.



Man i'm really glad i missed this thread.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Ummm Donny? My forefathers came here in the 50's and 60's. Please explain how they fucked you over and why you think that I or them owe you anything.
Let me tell you a little history. My father was born in Wales in 1926 and orphaned at 3 years old. He became a ward of the Church and was abused. Based on the caste system in place at the time, this bearing meant my father would never amount to more than being a "farm boy". He wasn't even ALLOWED to get a high school education.
What did my father do? He decided for HIMSELF that his lot wasn't good enough so he did what he could to educate himself. Gained enough smarts to be accepted into the RAF. An organization that, at that time, did NOT accept unschooled farm boys or many others from the lower classes. I'm talking about pilots, not ground crew.
Did my father blame society and the system for his lot in life? Hell no, he picked himself up, got his shit together and DID FOR HIMSELF, what YOU seem to want every white Canadian to do for you and your ilk. Your people have access to free university education and yet only a tiny percentage take advantage of it.
Know what university I got to attend? The University of Get the Fuck Out There and Get a Job. My father was the dean.

The sad fact is, too many of you are wrapped up in the past, can't see what you've been given as a way of trying to say sorry for what was done and refuse to move beyond that. As long as you keep playing the victim, you'll be a victim.

[Donny_Brasco]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Get off your fucking soapbox before you fall and have to call the WAmbulance.
You are the biggest fucking racist on this site, you could turn a thread about childrens tv programing into a "whitey fucked us over" thread. Brasco, you have no credibility here, just go away.

See! There is the problem we are dealing with right there.

People with outside views are pushed out deliberately.

You want CKA to be absent of opposing views, nice and white coloured like a cold glass of milk....just like the military?

You ostracize the minorities, push them out because they have different values and beliefs, and then criticize them because they do not volunteer to work beside you.

It is not my responsibility as a minority to adapt to your world. It is our responsibility as Canadians to respect each other. There are many white people who do understand and respect others.

It is the rest of you that feel that your viewpoints are so superior to ours you have to force us to adapt. I was not raised to take orders from white people just because they are white. I was raised to respect people who earn it, listen to others points of view and never, ever, ever let what is ours go without a fight.

I have nothing to lose when I stand up on my soapbox and tell you the truth from my point of view.

We natives live every day suffering and accounting for our shared past. We have no choice but to move forward and heal. You do have a choice. You can take responsibility and understand and help us move forward. Or you can continue to shrug your responsibility and your history in this matter.

In which case I do not absolve you of your responsibility and declare that I will fight you every day in your own courts and in your own media until every last wrong has been righted and until every last square inch of Indian land is accounted for.

And that would be all of Canada including the land your home is resting on no matter where in this country.

So I would say that you have quite alot to lose. Me, not so much. I was born the lowest common denominator in this country, I may die poor and as the lowest common denominator...but I will never, ever let you stand over me and preach to me about the history of the land that you live on now.

So your options are to understand our shared history and chose to take action to account for the past. And then we can stand shoulder to shoulder as brothers. Or you can deny, blame and ostracize the original inhabitants of this continent. In which case I will spend every day of my life reminding you of the wrongs that you and our people have committed against our people.

Victory over my brother is not as important or meaningful as victory over an enemy. You get to choose which one you want to be.

You all have a choice to make. My choice was made for me the day I was born an Indian. My grandfather's grandfather did not sign treaty with yours so I could be like you in your world. He signed treaty so I could be like him in a shared world.

[fifeboy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Oh spare me the equal crap. Irish have been treated as bad or worse for centuries. Do cry me a river for the shite my 'people' have endured.

I don't think a lot of first nations people are ready for the reality that the rest of Canada has to deal with. As in life.

The alternative is the the status quo. That's not looking too good for the aboriginals.

It's not like the IRA, Sinn Fein and the Provo's are a dead issue either.

I also wonder what would happen if one did the same study on who is serving on an economic basis. I wonder what socio-economic group is bleeding the most?

[fifeboy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Oh spare me the equal crap. Irish have been treated as bad or worse for centuries. Do cry me a river for the shite my 'people' have endured.

That is fine, we have the legal right under your own laws to hold you accountable for the land you live on the mistakes of your people and your government.

I don’t need you to cry. I don’t need you to do fuck all actually. Just bury your head in the sand and stfu because shit is coming around and there is not much you can do about it. And really, the irony of us beating you with your own laws and seeing you actually crying about it is such great poetic justice! The only thing better would be you guys actually showing up at my place in your white sheets burning a cross on my laws.

Must really suck to be so white and so mighty but you actually are being subverted by your own processes and your own system! By a bunch of Indians! LMFAO...

Anyways, I have a nice obelisk for sale if you know anyone who needs one, use to be some sort of border maker or something....

Yea, you were so in the know that you didn't even realise that the Mohawks came to Canada with the British and Loyalist Americans after the Revolutionary War.

Their land grants are from the British Crown, not some vague agreement over furs.


Your petty views are just that. As others have said, we have all met much better First Nations guys than thee.

With people like you doing native PR, things don't look too good.

Natural selection mate.

Yeah, my Mom's people were UEL's. But what % of Canada's Aboriginal people came after 1776?

[martin14]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

And that would be all of Canada including the land your home is resting on no matter where in this country.

Well, you are going to spend a lot of time being angry, cause we aren't going anywhere.

Enjoy your anger; I'm sure it's all you have.

[EyeBrock]

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Yea, you were so in the know that you didn't even realise that the Mohawks came to Canada with the British and Loyalist Americans after the Revolutionary War.


Natural selection mate.[/quote]Yeah, my Mom's people were UEL's. But what % of Canada's Aboriginal people came after 1776?[/quote]

The Mohawks are a local issue for me. Many people have no idea that they have been in Ontario since the 1780's and came with the UEL's. On a previous 'debate' with Donny he was totally unaware that many of the white settlers in southern Ontario had been there longer than the Mohawks. Minor point but it displays his fundamental lack of knowledge on the subject.

As for the rest, many, like the Innu in Labrador were nomadic and many others have obviously been in Canada for thousands of years.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The Mohawks are a local issue for me. Many people have no idea that they have been in Ontario since the 1780's and came with the UEL's. On a previous 'debate' with Donny he was totally unaware that many of the white settlers in southern Ontario had been there longer than the Mohawks. Minor point but it displays his fundamental lack of knowledge on the subject.

To be fair I used to live in the oldest known settlement in Ontario, a little village called Blair. It was settled loooooooooong before the Vikings even showed up in Labrador.
However, to help clear things up for Donny:

In 1795, the Grand River chiefs empowered Joseph Brant to sell large blocks of land in the northern section which the Aboriginals were not using. The terms desired were for no money down because they wanted to take their payment entirely in future years as annual interest.

The original tract of land stretched from the mouth of the Grand River on the shores of Lake Erie to the river's head, and for 10 km (6 mi) from either bank. Between 1795 and 1797 Joseph Brant sold 381,480 acres (1,543.8 km2) to land speculators comprising the northern half of the reserve for £85,332. This was the highest price ever paid to Aboriginals, up to this time, for wild undeveloped land. Simcoe opposed this sale. The interest on the annuity promised an income of £5,119 per year, far more than any other Iroquois people had received. The land speculators were unable to sell farm size lots to settlers fast enough and by 1801, all of the land speculators had fallen behind in their payments. Because of the lack of payments Brant was determined to sell more land to make up for the missing payments.

The land was sold fairly, by consensus of the Grand River Chiefs. Seller's remorse is NOT a valid reason to make outlandish land claims!

[Mustang1]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The Mohawks are a local issue for me. Many people have no idea that they have been in Ontario since the 1780's and came with the UEL's. On a previous 'debate' with Donny he was totally unaware that many of the white settlers in southern Ontario had been there longer than the Mohawks. Minor point but it displays his fundamental lack of knowledge on the subject.

To be fair I used to live in the oldest known settlement in Ontario, a little village called Blair. It was settled loooooooooong before the Vikings even showed up in Labrador.
However, to help clear things up for Donny:

In 1795, the Grand River chiefs empowered Joseph Brant to sell large blocks of land in the northern section which the Aboriginals were not using. The terms desired were for no money down because they wanted to take their payment entirely in future years as annual interest.

The original tract of land stretched from the mouth of the Grand River on the shores of Lake Erie to the river's head, and for 10 km (6 mi) from either bank. Between 1795 and 1797 Joseph Brant sold 381,480 acres (1,543.8 km2) to land speculators comprising the northern half of the reserve for £85,332. This was the highest price ever paid to Aboriginals, up to this time, for wild undeveloped land. Simcoe opposed this sale. The interest on the annuity promised an income of £5,119 per year, far more than any other Iroquois people had received. The land speculators were unable to sell farm size lots to settlers fast enough and by 1801, all of the land speculators had fallen behind in their payments. Because of the lack of payments Brant was determined to sell more land to make up for the missing payments.

The land was sold fairly, by consensus of the Grand River Chiefs. Seller's remorse is NOT a valid reason to make outlandish land claims!

It's sad, but as Eyebrock has already stated, many of us have tried to enlighten poor Donny with history before (he actually knows very little about Canadian studies), but he rejects anything that does not further his sad, pitiful agenda. If Donny actually possessed a modicum of knowledge, he would've stopped with his bigoted nonsense long ago - but he's not about fact, he's about projection, denial and revisionism.

It's too bad that he torpedoed yet another thread as the article was quite interesting, insightful and relevant. I guess he had nothing on the "fact" front, so he resorted to fiction.

$1:

"To be fair I used to live in the oldest known settlement in Ontario, a little village called Blair. It was settled loooooooooong before the Vikings even showed up in Labrador."

When was it settled?

[Tricks]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

It's sad, but as Eyebrock has already stated, many of us have tried to enlighten poor Donny with history before (he actually knows very little about Canadian studies), but he rejects anything that does not further his sad, pitiful agenda. If Donny actually possessed a modicum of knowledge, he would've stopped with his bigoted nonsense long ago - but he's not about fact, he's about projection, denial and revisionism.

Cause he's a troll, and by giving him the attention he clearly craves we aren't doing him or ourselves any favours. We need to just ignore the ignoramus.

[Lemmy]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

You all have a choice to make. My choice was made for me the day I was born an Indian. My grandfather's grandfather did not sign treaty with yours so I could be like you in your world. He signed treaty so I could be like him in a shared world.

That's very crux of the problem, Donny. That world no longer exists. Neither your grandfather's grandfather, nor mine, could predict what the world would like today. Now the problem falls to you and I. We can choose to sit down with one another and create modern solutions and live as brothers or we can continue with what hasn't worked over the past 500 years. Which shall it be?

[kenmore]

Un autre départ de militaires pour l'Afghanistan samedi à Québec. 125 soldats, dont le brigadier général Daniel Ménard, ont quitté pour une mission de plusieurs mois.
125 soldats de Valcartier partent en mission


Le brigadier général Ménard est le prochain commandant du quartier général de la Force opérationnelle interarmées en Afghanistan; il prendra la relève de son collègue canadien Jonathan Vance. Les 125 militaires qui l'accompagnent seront sous son commandement au cours des dix prochains mois.

L'unité du quartier général de la Force opérationnelle interarmées est située à l'aérodrome de Kandhar. C'est en quelque sorte le coeur du commandement des Forces militaires qui sont en mission en Afghanistan.

Another 125 soldiers from Valcartier Québéc on their way to Afghanistan..Je suis fier de eux!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The Mohawks are a local issue for me. Many people have no idea that they have been in Ontario since the 1780's and came with the UEL's. On a previous 'debate' with Donny he was totally unaware that many of the white settlers in southern Ontario had been there longer than the Mohawks. Minor point but it displays his fundamental lack of knowledge on the subject.

To be fair I used to live in the oldest known settlement in Ontario, a little village called Blair. It was settled loooooooooong before the Vikings even showed up in Labrador.
However, to help clear things up for Donny:

In 1795, the Grand River chiefs empowered Joseph Brant to sell large blocks of land in the northern section which the Aboriginals were not using. The terms desired were for no money down because they wanted to take their payment entirely in future years as annual interest.

The original tract of land stretched from the mouth of the Grand River on the shores of Lake Erie to the river's head, and for 10 km (6 mi) from either bank. Between 1795 and 1797 Joseph Brant sold 381,480 acres (1,543.8 km2) to land speculators comprising the northern half of the reserve for £85,332. This was the highest price ever paid to Aboriginals, up to this time, for wild undeveloped land. Simcoe opposed this sale. The interest on the annuity promised an income of £5,119 per year, far more than any other Iroquois people had received. The land speculators were unable to sell farm size lots to settlers fast enough and by 1801, all of the land speculators had fallen behind in their payments. Because of the lack of payments Brant was determined to sell more land to make up for the missing payments.

The land was sold fairly, by consensus of the Grand River Chiefs. Seller's remorse is NOT a valid reason to make outlandish land claims!

It's sad, but as Eyebrock has already stated, many of us have tried to enlighten poor Donny with history before (he actually knows very little about Canadian studies), but he rejects anything that does not further his sad, pitiful agenda. If Donny actually possessed a modicum of knowledge, he would've stopped with his bigoted nonsense long ago - but he's not about fact, he's about projection, denial and revisionism.

It's too bad that he torpedoed yet another thread as the article was quite interesting, insightful and relevant. I guess he had nothing on the "fact" front, so he resorted to fiction.

$1:

"To be fair I used to live in the oldest known settlement in Ontario, a little village called Blair. It was settled loooooooooong before the Vikings even showed up in Labrador."

When was it settled?

Archaeologists claim the area was settled shortly after the last ice age.