[herbie]

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Let's count the posts until some constipated conservative says

ONE.

[OnTheIce]

Not allowing it to go through just gives Harper more ammo against the Liberals.

So let's all thank the Liberal senators for more negative press to throw at the Liberals.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And why do you think they appointed those senators boots? Maybe they should have left the slots open for the next ( and I'm sure it will happen one day, just not for a while) Liberal government?

What kind of politician would just leave the Senate alone so it could be further stacked?

It's obvious that the triple E thing won't happen with the Tories in a minority. The Libs and Bloc have seen to that.
What else should he have done?

Step away from the partisan brink 'cos I know you can!

My biggest criticism is Harper is that he's a hypocrite.

He was elected on 'accountability' and being different from the other guys, yet the day before taking office, he accepted a floor-crosser (which six months before when Belinda Stronach did it was beyond the pale).

Everything he's done since he's been in office is a copy of the Liberal playbook.

He announces defence spending over and over (how many times have we heard about the JSS or icebreakers for the Arctic), yet never gets around to ordering them. He promised no deficit during the last election and then rang up the biggest deficit in Canadian history. He was so desperate to stay in office last year that he had the GG prorogue Parliament (the only thing the Liberals NEVER did themselves), he's appointed more senators in less time than anyone since Robert Borden. He bitched about Martin dealing with the NDP to stay in office (in 2005) for a few more months, then did the exact same thing himself last month. Now he's abandoned his own party's policies on the Senate. The list goes on and on.

So far he hasn't shown that he's in anyway different from the Liberals at all. He's just as ruthless, power-hungry, and unscrupulous as Chretien ever was.

[ridenrain]

In 1971, Saul Alinsky wrote an entertaining classic on grassroots organizing titled Rules for Radicals.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

http://vcn.bc.ca/citizens-handbook/rules.html

[BeaverFever]

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Saul Alinsky (January 30, 1909, Chicago, Illinois – June 12, 1972, Carmel, California) was a well-known community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing and has been compared to Thomas Paine as "one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left."

Alinsky's teachings influenced Barack Obama in his early career as a community organizer on the far South Side of Chicago.[7][8] Working for Gerald Kellman's Developing Communities Project, Obama learned and taught Alinsky's methods for community organizing.[7][9] Several prominent national leaders have been influenced by Alinsky's teachings,[7] including Ed Chambers,[5] Tom Gaudette, Michael Gecan, Wade Rathke,[10][11], and Patrick Crowley.[12]

Alinsky is often credited with laying the foundation for the grassroots political organizing that dominated the 1960s.[5] Jack Newfield writing in New York Magazine included Alinsky among "the purest avatars of the [populist] movement," along with Ralph Nader, Cesar Chavez, and Jesse Jackson.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

Wow, RR, you a leftist now?

[ridenrain]

Just pointing out the reason why the lefties demand that the right stand up to it's principals when the Libs can't find theirs in a brown paper envelope.

As Conservatives, we need rules that we, ourselves create and hold true and those our enemies try to hoist upon us.

[BeaverFever]

so youre saying Harper shouldnt have appointed members to the senate or recognized quebec as a nation?

[ridenrain]

Should he have left thise seats for a coalition to fill with their flunkies?

So many here call the CPC hypocrits because they went against what they said when the Libs themselves have promised the moon and stars when all the delivrered was boondoggles and scandals.

To quote Paul Martin: "Screw the Red Book... Don't tell me what's in the Red Book. I wrote the goddamned thing. And I know that it's a lot of crap."

[BeaverFever]

Take the red pill and see the Matrix for what it really is. There are no crusaders in white hats trying to right wrongs and fight for "justice." Its all about political opportunism; party affiliation is larely a smokescreen to placate the masses while those in office cater the powers behind the throne.

[ridenrain]

As I said, there's a standard that we need to hold with the public and that which we hold ourselves to. The CPC needs to be better than the Libs so we shouldn't do things like put party logos on stimulus checks because that's wrong. Getting twisted because of Liberal media bitching about patronage is something the Libs had no issue with and is a standard of Canadian politics. I don't like it but I don't like the rain either.

As much as I want the conservatives to be perfect, I realize that they only need to be better than the other parties to win.

[gonavy47]

ridenrain ridenrain:

As I said, there's a standard that we need to hold with the public and that which we hold ourselves to. The CPC needs to be better than the Libs so we shouldn't do things like put party logos on stimulus checks because that's wrong. Getting twisted because of Liberal media bitching about patronage is something the Libs had no issue with and is a standard of Canadian politics. I don't like it but I don't like the rain either.

As much as I want the conservatives to be perfect, I realize that they only need to be better than the other parties to win.

And that's not that hard to do, considering the other's legacy.

[leewgrant]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

ridenrain ridenrain:

As I said, there's a standard that we need to hold with the public and that which we hold ourselves to. The CPC needs to be better than the Libs so we shouldn't do things like put party logos on stimulus checks because that's wrong. Getting twisted because of Liberal media bitching about patronage is something the Libs had no issue with and is a standard of Canadian politics. I don't like it but I don't like the rain either.

As much as I want the conservatives to be perfect, I realize that they only need to be better than the other parties to win.

And that's not that hard to do, considering the other's legacy.

To quote a very famous Tory, "It's a long road that has no ashcans".

It'll take a long time - as it should - for people to forget about the sponsorship scandal, just as people keep being reminded of the sexual predators who ended up as Christian clergymen.