[EyeBrock]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

You know somewhere in England, someone is thinking that the Scottish nationalists aren't ready for international primetime yet.

Saw that very quote on the Daily Mail website!

I agree though and the English public are not happy with this. It does show a certain international immaturity and Gordon Brown has been noticable by his absence, him being a porridge eater too.

The Scots have an over inflated view of their importance, but then so do the English!

That's why Canada is my home now!

[Zipperfish]

Brenda Brenda:

Personally, I feel, that if he was not guilty, he would have apealed... Has he?

Yes he did. Twice, as well as have his case reviewed. It's amazing what two fucking minutes of research can find, isn't it?

The guy's a dead man anyways. The Scots probably figured that there was some rather unfavourable evidence going to come to light in this appeal to the effect that Al Megrahi probably got railroaded big time. Since he had to give up his appeal to go free, his terminal condition proved to be a boon for Scotland. Well, it appeared to be that way until the camel-riders in Libya decided to treat his return like the second coming of Allah. That's probaly a twist of the knife the survivors of the Lockerbie victims didn't need. But my god, the wailing by the various right-wing media pundits--I mean, suck it up, buttercup.

[EyeBrock]

Zip, a bit more research would have revealed that the ruling SNP party are pretty much left of the NDP and love annoying the London parliament by asserting their 'authority' over silly issues that they believe are 'Scottish' matters. This is one of them and it's blown up in their faces.
There isn't a positive angle to any part of this story and it makes Scotland and the UK look weak.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Zip, a bit more research would have revealed that the ruling SNP party are pretty much left of the NDP and love annoying the London parliament by asserting their 'authority' over silly issues that they believe are 'Scottish' matters. This is one of them and it's blown up in their faces.
There isn't a positive angle to any part of this story and it makes Scotland and the UK look weak.

It could be. Or it could be that they knew there were going to be problems with the appeal--it's pretty clear the government did all it could to ensure the appeal moved ahead at a glacial pace. Get rid of the old boy, have him kick off in Libya and the appeal problem goes away. Frees up a cell quite nicely too.

Oh sure the Old Testament right is outraged, but, c'mon, when aren't they outraged. It's like their natural state. I probably would have let the guy rot, but I'm not going to go ballistic 'cause he saves the taxpayer a few shillings and goes and dies somewhere else.

[EyeBrock]

I agree. The better route though would have been a transfer to a Libyan prison. They didn't even try that.

Just bad planning all round and it truly has damaged the SNP and the Scottish Assembly's credibility, which is a pity.
They have a proud heritage but they are even more splintered than the Irish.

The Jocks just miss the plot and go for the knee-jerk response everytime.
It's an ethnic thing.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I agree. The better route though would have been a transfer to a Libyan prison. They didn't even try that.

Just bad planning all round and it truly has damaged the SNP and the Scottish Assembly's credibility, which is a pity.
They have a proud heritage but they are even more splintered than the Irish.

The Jocks just miss the plot and go for the knee-jerk response everytime.
It's an ethnic thing.

Yeah, I'm not up on Scottish politics, but I can believe that. Lot of knee-jerking in global forien policy circlesthis week. As well as this, the Libyans are Swiss and Israel's ticked off at Sweden.

[EyeBrock]

It's quite the topic in the UK. Just not well thought out and the Yanks will not forget this.

[leewgrant]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's quite the topic in the UK. Just not well thought out and the Yanks will not forget this.

You got it there. Sales of Scotch will plummet.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's quite the topic in the UK. Just not well thought out and the Yanks will not forget this.

Well, it's not like the US has any international credibility. They're still sitting on a few hundred thou Iraqi corspes that are stinking the joint up.

[Bodah]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Oh sure the Old Testament right is outraged, but, c'mon, when aren't they outraged. It's like their natural state. I probably would have let the guy rot, but I'm not going to go ballistic 'cause he saves the taxpayer a few shillings and goes and dies somewhere else.

I suspect you may not be so nonchalant about it if it was you, that lost a loved one on that flight.

[Zipperfish]

Bodah Bodah:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Oh sure the Old Testament right is outraged, but, c'mon, when aren't they outraged. It's like their natural state. I probably would have let the guy rot, but I'm not going to go ballistic 'cause he saves the taxpayer a few shillings and goes and dies somewhere else.

I suspect you may not be so nonchalant about it if it was you, that lost a loved one on that flight.

Yes, well in matters of foreign policy one is expected to be somewhat sanguine, not merely adopt the posture of those most personally affected in a given incident. I imagine they might be upset, but the hue and cry adn rending of clothes from the right-wing pundrity since last week--none of whom probably lost loved ones either--has been just a tad too screechy.

[EyeBrock]

It's not just the right wing in the UK. They have quite a history with Libya. None of it good.
I was on the wrong end of a pistol in Addis Ababa with a Libyan on the trigger. There is a lot of this you are not aware about zigs.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's not just the right wing in the UK. They have quite a history with Libya. None of it good.
I was on the wrong end of a pistol in Addis Ababa with a Libyan on the trigger. There is a lot of this you are not aware about zigs.

Oh I believe it. I'm sure there are behind the scenes aspects of this of which I have no clue. But we can only judge on what we know. And to add to that most of what every offical says in any country is complete BS, so you're left trying to pin it all together.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's quite the topic in the UK. Just not well thought out and the Yanks will not forget this.

Must really piss some British off hearing the US sound off about it. You know, the same some that had family killed or maimed by the US supported PIRA. ( I won't get into that because I've already posted about the relationship between the US and the PIRA elsewhere)

But the US doesn't live by a double standard, oh noooooo

[EyeBrock]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's quite the topic in the UK. Just not well thought out and the Yanks will not forget this.

Must really piss some British off hearing the US sound off about it. You know, the same some that had family killed or maimed by the US supported PIRA. ( I won't get into that because I've already posted about the relationship between the US and the PIRA elsewhere)

But the US doesn't live by a double standard, oh noooooo

Oh you don't need to tell me about PIRA. As first gen English from an Irish Catholic mother and father, I was quiet in the Brit military when I joined in 1980.

We Brits (ok I'm Canadian now) don't forget NORAID and it's ilk. The PIRA got a lot of funding from the Yanks and it was a major irritant during the height of the Troubles.
But come on, this one is a no-brainer. He should have died in a Scot's gaol.