[saturn_656]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

You're right if you accept your definition as definitive, but the term "West" has been one that has always been used loosely to group different nations together.

Dictionary.com - the only definitions of the word 'WEST' mentioning countries are the 4th and 5th.

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4. (initial capital letter) the western part of the world, as distinguished from the East or Orient; the Occident.
5. (initial capital letter) the non-Communist countries of Western Europe and the Americas.

You will never find a dictionary of the English language defining this usage of West any differently.

I'm talking about geopolitical reality.

Not dictionary definitions.

[scarecrowe]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Well, I never thought I would see the day when a Conservative would be using a Communist country as a model for Canada's justice system.

The Chinese are far more conservative (in a societal sense) than any political party in Canada. They shoot those deemed to be corrupt let alone murderers. If we did that here, about five people would be left standing, each with one foot in each province.
The Chinese's actions are very intelligent. Only idiots waste their resources molly coddling scum.

[MacDonaill]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'm talking about geopolitical reality.

Not dictionary definitions.

What you are talking about is not a geopolitical reality whatsoever. You misunderstood what the term 'Western' means, and how it is used, including in every geopolitical text out there. I challenge you to find a geopolitical text using it differently. Japan is not a Western/Occidental country. It is a developed and highly industrialised Oriental country, end of story. I don't know why you continue to obstinate over the matter.

[MacDonaill]

scarecrowe scarecrowe:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Well, I never thought I would see the day when a Conservative would be using a Communist country as a model for Canada's justice system.

The Chinese are far more conservative (in a societal sense) than any political party in Canada. They shoot those deemed to be corrupt let alone murderers. If we did that here, about five people would be left standing, each with one foot in each province.
The Chinese's actions are very intelligent. Only idiots waste their resources molly coddling scum.

I'll let your statements comment on themselves, with the one remark that none of this advances the argument that capital punishment is a just and moral penalty.

[Yogi]

scarecrowe scarecrowe:

Yogi Yogi:

If, in fact, a murderer was to be put in a cell with absolutely no comforts, a small slot for 'very basic nutrition to be passed to them, a hole in the floor in which they could relieve themselves, (or not), and that cell welded shut only to be opened and 'made ready' for the next prisoner upon their demise, I would definitely be in favor of the 'life in prison' concept. I don't think that it would be too long before 'all lifers' would be championing the death penalty!

So, you would rather torture someone until they begged to die? Shoot the bastards with a 25 cent bullet, humanely pout them out of their misery and use the mega dollars that would have been spent on torturing them over 25+ years for noble efforts.

You are not the first to misunderstand me! Make no mistake about it, I am a fervent supporter of the death penalty In lieu ofthe death penalty, I would be willing to settle for terms of punishment per my previous post!

[Yogi]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Yogi Yogi:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

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Civilised countries don't kill their own citizens, even for punishment.

By whose standards???

It has become the world standard. The US is the only Western country to still employ it (and many states have banned it).

Look at the map. The blue countries have banned capital punishment.



Death penalty aside, I can't think of any non-blue country I would really want to live in (US included).

'Land mass' means dick-all. It's the NUMBERS that count! By population, the MAJORITY of the world population SUPPORT the death penalty!

[scarecrowe]

Yogi Yogi:

You are not the first to misunderstand me! Make no mistake about it, I am a fervent supporter of the death penalty In lieu ofthe death penalty, I would be willing to settle for terms of punishment per my previous post!

We are on the same page. Life for those convicted on suspect evidence (Guy Paul Morin) and immediate food processing for the Bernardo types.

[MacDonaill]

Yogi Yogi:

'Land mass' means dick-all. It's the NUMBERS that count! By population, the MAJORITY of the world population SUPPORT the death penalty!

The majority of Germans supported Hitler.

Since when is the majority always right? There was a time when a majority of people denied a woman's right to vote. Some countries still do.

[MacDonaill]

Actually, a majority of Canadians voted against Harper's Conservatives... Now if the majority is always right then that must mean...

[scarecrowe]

Yogi Yogi:

'Land mass' means dick-all. It's the NUMBERS that count! By population, the MAJORITY of the world population SUPPORT the death penalty!

With Australia at 2.6 people per sq. km and Canada at 3.3, the map needs to be redrawn to reflect influence. Canada and Australia are about as influential as a mosquito on a blue whale.

[MacDonaill]

scarecrowe scarecrowe:

Yogi Yogi:

'Land mass' means dick-all. It's the NUMBERS that count! By population, the MAJORITY of the world population SUPPORT the death penalty!

With Australia at 2.6 people per sq. km and Canada at 3.3, the map needs to be redrawn to reflect influence. Canada and Australia are about as influential as an mosquito on a blue whale.

Australia is probably the most influential country in Oceania. Canada is far from a world superpower, but people respect us. The only people that don't respect us are the Americans, our supposed 'best friends'.

[scarecrowe]

See the murder rate at the left side of the graph. That is what I remember growing up. I felt safe at school and I went to school in TO. How many shootings, knifings and other murder attempts were reported in the GTA schools in the last two weeks? I don't have the exact answer but there seemed to be new report every other day.
Life in prison is not a deterrent to murder. The young offenders act actually provokes violence. Seems like the death penalty worked well.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/040929/d040929a.htm

[saturn_656]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'm talking about geopolitical reality.

Not dictionary definitions.

What you are talking about is not a geopolitical reality whatsoever. You misunderstood what the term 'Western' means, and how it is used, including in every geopolitical text out there. I challenge you to find a geopolitical text using it differently. Japan is not a Western/Occidental country. It is a developed and highly industrialised Oriental country, end of story. I don't know why you continue to obstinate over the matter.

Now you are just being obtuse.