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Tman1 Tman1:

How about developing something for roadside bombs and save more lives than kill. That expensive shell doesn't seem to be doing much.

You implied that the CF is not developing anything to stop roadside bombs. I hope this enlightens you.

[SprCForr]

The people I've been talking with off the latest roto express nothing but sheer admiration for the Sappers doing their route clearance. You know it has to mean something when some pretty hard grunts were totally awed by the dedication of the EROC teams.

FWIW Tman, manning limitations within the contingent are the biggest chokepoint in running lots of kit. Then the manpower shortage within the trade plays it's part.

[Tman1]

Where did I mention the CF?

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A) We do not have the man power to support more teams
B) Nor the money, one of these vehicles is extremely expensive, and these are meant to be blown up and repaired.
C) As soon as you drive away from a road and cannot see it anymore it could have an IED on it. It is not feasible to clear a road every time someone drives on it. There is procedure to follow to counter this, but when it is not followed you run the risk of hitting an IED.

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Tman1 Tman1:

Where did I mention the CF?

When you said they should be developing something to counter road side bombs. If you didnt know the CF is the Canadian Forces.

It was your " save more lives then kill. " Comment that really got me.

[Tman1]

I never implied the CF were NOT developing anything. Around in circles we go...

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Ok then what did you mean when you said " How about developing something.." ? All that shows me is you felt the CF did not develop anything.

[Tman1]

Chumley Chumley:

I think you stepped into the thread at the wrong moment, as Streak was busy goading people to the point where they will lash out at everyone. I am sure he is enjoying it though.

No, I don't think I did. I merely said something and somebody quoted me on it. In fact, what I said was pretty simple and doesn't warrent any "lashing" whatsoever.

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You were just the straw that broke the camel’s back; personally I have had it with people who have no idea what it is like in the military or Afghanistan saying how the military should do things in Afghanistan. Unless you have experience with either please, end your suggestions with a question mark, not a period.

[putz]

Tman1 what you said was very critical and unresearched. Canada has some of the best equipment in the world for clearing IED's. We have tactics that work and well trained troops. General Thompson was right 9 out of every 10 IED's is found before the hit their target. Countless times over the last 7 months the Chimos that were attached to my platoon saved my life and those of my comrades in arms. Same with the arty boys. So yes critiquing them and there equipment does touch a nerve.

[Tman1]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

You were just the straw that broke the camel’s back; personally I have had it with people who have no idea what it is like in the military or Afghanistan saying how the military should do things in Afghanistan. Unless you have experience with either please, end your suggestions with a question mark, not a period.

That would be called a question, not a suggestion and I don't care what you want or believe about peoples "military" expererience as if that matters in this context or even what I originally wrote. Misinterpret and assume all you want, it doesn't help you. I'll write what I want, when I want. Tough. When you can actually argue about something with facts intelligibly instead of temper tantrums its tough to take you seriously. Bye bye.

[Tman1]

putz putz:

Tman1 what you said was very critical and unresearched. Canada has some of the best equipment in the world for clearing IED's. We have tactics that work and well trained troops. General Thompson was right 9 out of every 10 IED's is found before the hit their target. Countless times over the last 7 months the Chimos that were attached to my platoon saved my life and those of my comrades in arms. Same with the arty boys. So yes critiquing them and there equipment does touch a nerve.

Putz, what you said was very critical and unresearched. Where did I criticize Canada's military equipment at all? What touches a nerve is idiots putting words in my mouth and ascribing positions I don't adhere to, believe in or said in any contextual word usage so far from my simple sentence. I don't need the likes of you to tell me what I said is unresearched. I'll research when people with a high school education comes back into the thread.

[Tman1]

I suppose the word "develop" cannot be attributed to things that are present to be improved upon?

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Not when you say "develop something", you did not say improve something, enhance something or increase something. Add that to the "save more lives then kill" comment and your sentence implies that too much is being done on killing people and not enough on protecting people. I have proved (as well as I can without going into mission specifics) just the opposite is going on, more money, training and man power has gone into strengthening a system to counter IEDs then to kill people with a newly acquired artillery shell picked up from the americian surge back into Afghanistan..

[Tman1]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Not when you say "develop something", you did not say improve something, enhance something or increase something.

How old are you? Look up the word DEVELOP.

$1:

Add that to the "save more lives then kill" comment and your sentence implies that too much is being done on killing people and not enough on protecting people.

You like to throw around the word 'implied' around but you aren't using it correctly but rather you are 'assuming' what I say into what you think, which is incorrect. I'm not impling anything which I have told you several times. I want the Taliban just as dead but I want our troops alive more.

$1:

I have proved (as well as I can without going into mission specifics) just the opposite is going on, more money, training and man power has gone into strengthening a system to counter IEDs then to kill people with a newly acquired artillery shell.

Well thats great then Mr secretive commando of the JTF2, show me with articles or something and you haven't proven anything but that's beside the point. This article is about the CF aquiring an 85,000 per shell weapon to kill or did you contradict yourself again?