[romanP]

RUEZ RUEZ:

romanP romanP:

As for unproductive, you'd be surprised at how many hard drug users there are leading pefectly productive lives.

Yes I would be surprised. How do you come about this information?

I know some of them.

[ShepherdsDog]

romanP romanP:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

really?? hash can be collected by rubbing the resin off of the plant, while crack is processed with and can contain several man toxic chemicals.

So can hash. There is a lot of dirty hash in the world that has stuff like cat shit and motor oil in it.

that good shit will have you well lubricated

[Zipperfish]

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

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Keemo Keemo:

Leagalising pot would put the grow ops out of business, and deprive the organized crime rings of a serious income stream. Much of the pot grown now is traded to the US for cocaine and guns. Were we to legalize it and treat it under the same rules as beer and wine, we would free up police resource to deal with the serious drugs like cocaine and crystal meth. Taxed like beer and wine, it could pay for fighting the serious drugs. Legalized, the serious growers, rather than the merely criminally inclined ones, could go legitimate and pay taxes. Their employees would also be paying taxes, and the truckers hauling it off to the LCB distro centre. Under our current pot laws, only cops, lawyers and criminal groups benefit.

what would the organized crime rings do for money..switch to harder drugs. Do you think they would just give up and get real jobs.

Thats a real tired argument. The beer and wine excuse is also nonsense, we don't need any more legal drugs.

Sure we do. Everything should be legal until shown to cause significant societal harm. That's called freedom. Freedom--perhaps you've heard of it, though probably not. I guess scaredy-cats like you can't wait for the police state because you walk around ina permanent state of fear wouldn't know about that.

You can have all the freedom you want when you start paying your own medical bills,nothings free.

A permanent state of fear

Great, another socialist chalks up his opinion--"Let's use our socilaized medical system to tell everyone how to live." What are you going to ban next? Driving must be near the top of your list. Rock climbing? Hockey? Maybe just pass a law that evcerything is illegal unless expressly permitted by the state--that usually makes your type happy.

[mtbr]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

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Keemo Keemo:

Leagalising pot would put the grow ops out of business, and deprive the organized crime rings of a serious income stream. Much of the pot grown now is traded to the US for cocaine and guns. Were we to legalize it and treat it under the same rules as beer and wine, we would free up police resource to deal with the serious drugs like cocaine and crystal meth. Taxed like beer and wine, it could pay for fighting the serious drugs. Legalized, the serious growers, rather than the merely criminally inclined ones, could go legitimate and pay taxes. Their employees would also be paying taxes, and the truckers hauling it off to the LCB distro centre. Under our current pot laws, only cops, lawyers and criminal groups benefit.

what would the organized crime rings do for money..switch to harder drugs. Do you think they would just give up and get real jobs.

Thats a real tired argument. The beer and wine excuse is also nonsense, we don't need any more legal drugs.

Sure we do. Everything should be legal until shown to cause significant societal harm. That's called freedom. Freedom--perhaps you've heard of it, though probably not. I guess scaredy-cats like you can't wait for the police state because you walk around ina permanent state of fear wouldn't know about that.

You can have all the freedom you want when you start paying your own medical bills,nothings free.

A permanent state of fear

Great, another socialist chalks up his opinion--"Let's use our socilaized medical system to tell everyone how to live." What are you going to ban next? Driving must be near the top of your list. Rock climbing? Hockey? Maybe just pass a law that evcerything is illegal unless expressly permitted by the state--that usually makes your type happy.

Socialist



I'm not a socialist , just the opposite. Canada is a socialist country socialist rules apply.

I vote conservative.....maybe someday we can get rid of socialism and than you can smoke all the friggen pot you want.

[Keemo]

The 'Gateway Drug' argument once had validity, when pot dealers were also likely to have other, less benign drugs for sale. It is likely that some still do, but not any of the ones I know. Making pot legal and selling it through the liquor system removes that possibility, unless it is a gateway drug to booze.
Pot was made illegal by the Americans for two reasons, it grew wild throughout the south, and the poor sharecroppers smoked it because it was free, rather than drink, and paying taxes on the drink. The second reason was because hemp was cheaper and easier to grow than cotton and made better fabric. It was the cotton industry that fuelled the hysteria against pot in the US.
The social costs of pot are entirely due to its legal status, unlike cocaine (in any form), heroin or crystal meth. All of those are addictive (as is tobacco) and have long term health hazards, as does tobacco and alcohol. The long term health risks for pot are minor, and to show up require long term heavy usage, and are limited to a slightly higher risk of heart attack, cancer (along with almost everything else) and man-boobs.
According to several RCMP officers I have known over the years, on average, the only criminal acts pot smokers are involved in are buying and selling pot. On the whole, at least in rural communities, the cops prefer stoners, nice peaceful citizens.
Keeping pot illegal serves no useful purpose, denies approximately %40 of Canadians of their rights, costs a huge amount of money and resources to enforce and costs both provincial and federal governments a huge tax stream.

[Zipperfish]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Obviously you don't get it. By living within a society you surrender certain freedoms in exchange for the protections and services provided by the society. The state can and does place limitations on your 'freedom'. They are called laws. Thumb your nose at them and see how long you remain free.

Yes we surender certain freedoms in exchange for protections and services offered by a society. BUt, if you had two brain cells to rub together, you would have noted that inquiksilver said that the state grants us our freedoms, not that we already have them and then voluntarily surrender some. A subtle, but crucial, distinction.

Thanks for showing up though. Here's your ass, there's the door.

[Zipperfish]

[quote="ShepherdsDog]He would be referring to the old vets he said he was going to beat up on Remembrance Day. He's a real tough guy.[/quote]

I think you are confusing me with someone else. Or just pulling stuff out of your ass. Probably the latter. You sure get bitter when you get your ass handed to you in an argument--which makes you bitter most of the time, sice you are really bad at putting any ind of argument together.

[Zipperfish]

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Socialist



I'm not a socialist , just the opposite. Canada is a socialist country socialist rules apply.

I vote conservative.....maybe someday we can get rid of socialism and than you can smoke all the friggen pot you want.

Yeah--neo-conservatives. The new socialists. Let's hand over all our rights to the state so we can be safe from the infintessimal threat of dying in a terrorist attack. Let's pass a whole bunch of restrictive laws based on our interpretation of Leviticus.

You're the one advocting having the government regulate people's behaviour based on their perceived cost risk to socialized medicare. That's socialism in my books, Yussef.

[mtbr]

Ah hell...I guess I'll just vote NDP in the next election.

[Brenda]

Good to see you back, Zip

[mixedfarmer]

I think it should be legal only if you have less than a a pound. Being caught with 10 pound is a 1000 dollar fine. Bieing caught with 100 pounds is a year in jail. 200 pounds is 10 years and 500 pounds is 30 years in jail.

[Zipperfish]

Brenda Brenda:

Good to see you back, Zip

Good to hear from you too, Brenda!

Cheers

[romanP]

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

I think it should be legal only if you have less than a a pound. Being caught with 10 pound is a 1000 dollar fine. Bieing caught with 100 pounds is a year in jail. 200 pounds is 10 years and 500 pounds is 30 years in jail.

Why?

[mixedfarmer]

to keep organized crime out of it

[ShepherdsDog]

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

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Nope, sorry Zipper Rattler,

some people were trying to pin Streaker for your comment and a bunch of people verified you as the source asshole that spewed the shit about beating up old vets. Deny all you want. And, as for pulling stuff out of my ass....well I think you're transferring again, as that is your lifestyle choice, not mine. But hey if that what keeps you happy go ahead.

Unless you were born in the wild, and evidence seems to point towards that, you are born within a society and born with restrictions already in place (In your case some of these restrictions were cognitive and genetic).