[DerbyX]

lily lily:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

It wasn't so long ago, that it would be the parents apologizing to the police over such poorly behaved children.

Nail on the head.

It wasn't so long ago that all the police would do with rowdy children is let their parents sort it out also.

And then people complained that nothing was done and the kids grew into young offenders.

Every generation seems to look back on how their dad or grandparents did things with fond memories as if they didn't have the same problems.

"kids these days".

I think that despite all the media attention to the contrary kids these days are no worse then they were back when I was a kid or when my parents were kids. My uncle certainly has a few stories about his misbehaving and his father was a strict disciplinarian as my mother told me every time I complained about her unfair parenting.

It was back in the 70s when the blame the parents started up wasn't it? Then it became blaming the TV. Then the school. Violent games like D&D got blamed. Rock music has been blamed since the first pelvis swivel by Elvis himself.

In this case we had a bunch of good kids (and I'll believe that until proven otherwise) who were not out causing trouble, not busting windows or doing crack or any number of things that have the hand wringers bemoaning kids these days.

[mikewood86]

DerbyX DerbyX:

lily lily:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

It wasn't so long ago, that it would be the parents apologizing to the police over such poorly behaved children.

Nail on the head.

It wasn't so long ago that all the police would do with rowdy children is let their parents sort it out also.

And then people complained that nothing was done and the kids grew into young offenders.

Every generation seems to look back on how their dad or grandparents did things with fond memories as if they didn't have the same problems.

"kids these days".

I think that despite all the media attention to the contrary kids these days are no worse then they were back when I was a kid or when my parents were kids. My uncle certainly has a few stories about his misbehaving and his father was a strict disciplinarian as my mother told me every time I complained about her unfair parenting.

It was back in the 70s when the blame the parents started up wasn't it? Then it became blaming the TV. Then the school. Violent games like D&D got blamed. Rock music has been blamed since the first pelvis swivel by Elvis himself.

In this case we had a bunch of good kids (and I'll believe that until proven otherwise) who were not out causing trouble, not busting windows or doing crack or any number of things that have the hand wringers bemoaning kids these days.

Lol didn't you know it's easier to blame someone else for everything?

Anyways, I don't really want push this further because we all know where everyone stands. We all have our views. We have a partial story (from the child's view, not the police's.....yet) so we'll pick this up when more info is given.

In this case, we had a meat cleaver, beer cans, and noise complaint from the neighbour (and I'll believe that until proven otherwise) with kids possibly in life threating danger, and the police officers involved acted accordingly based upon the information recieved.

Wow, it's nice out.

[dino_bobba_renno]

mikewood86 mikewood86:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Oh please.

Some dodgy complaint from a neighbour who made up some BS story about seeing a meat clever because she was pissed off at a bunch of kids doesn't ever justify the reaction of the officers.

It certainly doesn't justify their reaction after the fact when it became quite apparent that all that was happening was kids rough-housing.

The only lesson they learn't that day was not to trust police.

Lukasz still has an overall positive attitude about police officers -- "I just don't like that one big one."

I'd say they got that message loud and clear. The parents certainly did and are perfectly justified in demanding an apology, hell they are justified in filing an official complaint.

You people may applaud the police terrorizing a child then handcuffing him but I doubt you would agree if it were your child ot you being handcuffed for a bogus reason.

Age isn't a factor in deciding when to handcuff someone, he said.

"You use handcuffs for the protection of the individual, for the safety, for the protection of the officer or protection of the public and that's irrelevant of the age of the subject."

I hope someday you aren't listen to music to loudly while chopping vegetables and some cop kicks down your door and before you know it you get shot "while advancing with a threatening weapon".

So the story is BS only because it doesn't fit with your argument?

A phone call to the police doesn't reveal the whole situation (wether it be harmless or threatening), but given the details they recieved they responded to the situation as a threatening one.

The neighbour reported a meat cleaver and beer cans, not teddy bears and juice!!!

As I said before, if someone had gotten hurt, everyone would be screaming "where were the parents?" Now all of the sudden, they and their child are the victims.

I noticed in a interview with the kid and his parents how the kid brought up the subject of the beer cans. The kid is claiming that it was the neighbors throwing the beer cans at them, ya right! The way in which the media is responding to this story just blows my mind. The reporter even went as far as to say "oh, you must have been scared, maybe it would help if the police apologized". WTF!?!?! Not a mention of the meat clever or the beer cans or how the kids acted when the police came to the door. The kid is the one who should be apologizing and so should his parents! But of course the media will make this out to be a "poor little Johnny" story. Some people deserve a slap up side the head.

[dino_bobba_renno]

lily lily:

There's nore to this story than the kid - and his parents - are telling.

Exactly! Only problem is that the police can't tell their side of the story because the kid is a minor. All the police can do is shut their yaps and take a kicking from the media who apparently seem to be having a hay day with this story.

One question for all those who think the kid shouldn't have been cuffed, what do you propose the police should have done to control the kid if he was acting aggressively? Put him in a choke hold? Maybe twist his arm behind his back and hold him down on the floor? Physically restrain him some other manner? Ya right, then you would be criticizing them for being physical with the kid. Before you criticize them for cuffing the kid maybe offer forward some suggestions on how you would have dealt with the problem seeing as how you are all experts on this matter.

[Bacardi4206]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

mikewood86 mikewood86:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Oh please.

Some dodgy complaint from a neighbour who made up some BS story about seeing a meat clever because she was pissed off at a bunch of kids doesn't ever justify the reaction of the officers.

It certainly doesn't justify their reaction after the fact when it became quite apparent that all that was happening was kids rough-housing.

The only lesson they learn't that day was not to trust police.

Lukasz still has an overall positive attitude about police officers -- "I just don't like that one big one."

I'd say they got that message loud and clear. The parents certainly did and are perfectly justified in demanding an apology, hell they are justified in filing an official complaint.

You people may applaud the police terrorizing a child then handcuffing him but I doubt you would agree if it were your child ot you being handcuffed for a bogus reason.

Age isn't a factor in deciding when to handcuff someone, he said.

"You use handcuffs for the protection of the individual, for the safety, for the protection of the officer or protection of the public and that's irrelevant of the age of the subject."

I hope someday you aren't listen to music to loudly while chopping vegetables and some cop kicks down your door and before you know it you get shot "while advancing with a threatening weapon".

So the story is BS only because it doesn't fit with your argument?

A phone call to the police doesn't reveal the whole situation (wether it be harmless or threatening), but given the details they recieved they responded to the situation as a threatening one.

The neighbour reported a meat cleaver and beer cans, not teddy bears and juice!!!

As I said before, if someone had gotten hurt, everyone would be screaming "where were the parents?" Now all of the sudden, they and their child are the victims.

I noticed in a interview with the kid and his parents how the kid brought up the subject of the beer cans. The kid is claiming that it was the neighbors throwing the beer cans at them, ya right! The way in which the media is responding to this story just blows my mind. The reporter even went as far as to say "oh, you must have been scared, maybe it would help if the police apologized". WTF!?!?! Not a mention of the meat clever or the beer cans or how the kids acted when the police came to the door. The kid is the one who should be apologizing and so should his parents! But of course the media will make this out to be a "poor little Johnny" story. Some people deserve a slap up side the head.

That's because that's how all kids that age acts when they get caught, they fib and fib some more. I should know, I got a crap load of cousins that age.

[Brenda]

WAS he acting aggressively? Police officers (as well as bouncers, like Derby mentioned) are trained for situations like this, they are taught to negotiate and calm down. You don't approach someone with a deadly weapon so he can kill you. That means, that the kid already got rid of the meatcleaver, right?

No cuffing necessary anymore. A stiff talking to should have done the trick.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Brenda Brenda:

WAS he acting aggressively? Police officers (as well as bouncers, like Derby mentioned) are trained for situations like this, they are taught to negotiate and calm down. You don't approach someone with a deadly weapon so he can kill you. That means, that the kid already got rid of the meatcleaver, right?

No cuffing necessary anymore. A stiff talking to should have done the trick.

How do you know he wasn't? Isn't that the problem here? The parents and the family can go on TV and bash the police all they want but because of the laws regarding minors the police have no chance to explain or defend their actions. Besides, I see nothing wrong with them cuffing the kid, how does it hurt him in any way shape or form? I was cuffed when I was 12 over a nothing deal, its not like I've been scarred for life.

What did you expect them to do, give him lolly pop and a stern talking to and then just leave?

[Bacardi4206]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Oh please.

Some dodgy complaint from a neighbour who made up some BS story about seeing a meat clever because she was pissed off at a bunch of kids doesn't ever justify the reaction of the officers.

It certainly doesn't justify their reaction after the fact when it became quite apparent that all that was happening was kids rough-housing.

The only lesson they learn't that day was not to trust police.

I'd say they got that message loud and clear. The parents certainly did and are perfectly justified in demanding an apology, hell they are justified in filing an official complaint.

You people may applaud the police terrorizing a child then handcuffing him but I doubt you would agree if it were your child ot you being handcuffed for a bogus reason.

I hope someday you aren't listen to music to loudly while chopping vegetables and some cop kicks down your door and before you know it you get shot "while advancing with a threatening weapon".

You got any evidence to support that this neighbour made up that story? or are you just saying that so you can fit it with your story? You know that kids acting like this is not a first thing, kids are not as nice as they play out to be. You would know if you had to babysit one or even a couple for more then a couple of hours.

I had to babysit my cousin from 4 years old, - 9. Plus sometimes my other cousins who was at the same age, and another around 12 year olds. Let's just say that even with my there supervising. I wouldn't be suprised if they did all that shit listed in that report. Imagine if I wasn't there? They knew there wasn't any adult supervision, imagine what shit they would do/get into?

"The only lesson they learn't that day was not to trust police."

Don't reflect your own opinions about police on this situation. Just for that comment, I am not even going to respond to anymore of your posts on this topic, as I clearly already know that you just got a grudge against cops and all your posts will just be biased on the subject.

"I'd say they got that message loud and clear. The parents certainly did and are perfectly justified in demanding an apology, hell they are justified in filing an official complaint."

Actually it is the kids and parents who should be filing a apology. If the parents never left them there, they wouldn't have done all that bs, and gotten into this mess. The kids should file a apology to the cops for doing this BS, because of all the shit the cops are getting now by idiot people who think kids are saints, and everything a kid sais is 100% the trueth. Even though you got a adult at the window reporting what she saw, then cops busting in the house and seeing the same thing.

"You people may applaud the police terrorizing a child then handcuffing him but I doubt you would agree if it were your child ot you being handcuffed for a bogus reason."

Bogus reason? You mean having your kids throwing beer cans at neighbors windows which is terrorizing them, making loud noises which is terrorizing them even further, and running around with meat cleavers is bogus? Though it is abusive for a cop to report to a complaint, where you suspect you got kids who are drunk, with dangerous weapons. It's also abusive that the cops found no parents there, and decided to handcuff the kids and was going to take them to the station over night because there parents wern't there. It would have been perfectly acceptable for the cops to just have left the kids there to wait for there parents to get home? Even after that incident? rofl, I truely hope nobody in this entire world has that idiotic opinion.

[Brenda]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

WAS he acting aggressively? Police officers (as well as bouncers, like Derby mentioned) are trained for situations like this, they are taught to negotiate and calm down. You don't approach someone with a deadly weapon so he can kill you. That means, that the kid already got rid of the meatcleaver, right?

No cuffing necessary anymore. A stiff talking to should have done the trick.

How do you know he wasn't? Isn't that the problem here? The parents and the family can go on TV and bash the police all they want but because of the laws regarding minors the police have no chance to explain or defend their actions. Besides, I see nothing wrong with them cuffing the kid, how does it hurt him in any way shape or form? I was cuffed when I was 12 over a nothing deal, its not like I've been scarred for life.

What did you expect them to do, give him lolly pop and a stern talking to and then just leave?

I told you what I expected them to do, wtf do you want?

The PARENTS should have been there in the first place (and I am repeating myself here), THEY are the ones that are responsible. THEY shouldn't bash on the police, they shouldn't have let it happen.

The police shouldn't have cuffed the kid. Even if he was aggressive, he was 10, they are adults. Period.

[Bacardi4206]

Brenda Brenda:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

WAS he acting aggressively? Police officers (as well as bouncers, like Derby mentioned) are trained for situations like this, they are taught to negotiate and calm down. You don't approach someone with a deadly weapon so he can kill you. That means, that the kid already got rid of the meatcleaver, right?

No cuffing necessary anymore. A stiff talking to should have done the trick.

How do you know he wasn't? Isn't that the problem here? The parents and the family can go on TV and bash the police all they want but because of the laws regarding minors the police have no chance to explain or defend their actions. Besides, I see nothing wrong with them cuffing the kid, how does it hurt him in any way shape or form? I was cuffed when I was 12 over a nothing deal, its not like I've been scarred for life.

What did you expect them to do, give him lolly pop and a stern talking to and then just leave?

I told you what I expected them to do, wtf do you want?

The PARENTS should have been there in the first place (and I am repeating myself here), THEY are the ones that are responsible. THEY shouldn't bash on the police, they shouldn't have let it happen.

The police shouldn't have cuffed the kid. Even if he was aggressive, he was 10, they are adults. Period.

That doesn't quite answer his question, how would you restrain the kid? Obviously you can't just leave him there, and you need to take him to the police car. How do you get him to go along? Put jelly beans on the ground in a line all the way into the cop car? The only logical answer is to cuff the kid (Which doesnt hurt) and bring him to the car. Would you rather they knocked him out?, broke his arms? etc.

[Brenda]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Brenda Brenda:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

WAS he acting aggressively? Police officers (as well as bouncers, like Derby mentioned) are trained for situations like this, they are taught to negotiate and calm down. You don't approach someone with a deadly weapon so he can kill you. That means, that the kid already got rid of the meatcleaver, right?

No cuffing necessary anymore. A stiff talking to should have done the trick.

How do you know he wasn't? Isn't that the problem here? The parents and the family can go on TV and bash the police all they want but because of the laws regarding minors the police have no chance to explain or defend their actions. Besides, I see nothing wrong with them cuffing the kid, how does it hurt him in any way shape or form? I was cuffed when I was 12 over a nothing deal, its not like I've been scarred for life.

What did you expect them to do, give him lolly pop and a stern talking to and then just leave?

I told you what I expected them to do, wtf do you want?

The PARENTS should have been there in the first place (and I am repeating myself here), THEY are the ones that are responsible. THEY shouldn't bash on the police, they shouldn't have let it happen.

The police shouldn't have cuffed the kid. Even if he was aggressive, he was 10, they are adults. Period.

That doesn't quite answer his question, how would you restrain the kid? Obviously you can't just leave him there, and you need to take him to the police car. How do you get him to go along? Put jelly beans on the ground in a line all the way into the cop car? The only logical answer is to cuff the kid (Which doesnt hurt) and bring him to the car. Would you rather they knocked him out?, broke his arms? etc.

Why would you want him restrained? I think he was shaken up enough to be like a little lamb... Why did they need to take him to a police car?

The only logical answer for me, is to give the kid a talking to, ask him where his parents are, call them, and give them a talking to too.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Brenda Brenda:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

WAS he acting aggressively? Police officers (as well as bouncers, like Derby mentioned) are trained for situations like this, they are taught to negotiate and calm down. You don't approach someone with a deadly weapon so he can kill you. That means, that the kid already got rid of the meatcleaver, right?

No cuffing necessary anymore. A stiff talking to should have done the trick.

How do you know he wasn't? Isn't that the problem here? The parents and the family can go on TV and bash the police all they want but because of the laws regarding minors the police have no chance to explain or defend their actions. Besides, I see nothing wrong with them cuffing the kid, how does it hurt him in any way shape or form? I was cuffed when I was 12 over a nothing deal, its not like I've been scarred for life.

What did you expect them to do, give him lolly pop and a stern talking to and then just leave?

I told you what I expected them to do, wtf do you want?

The PARENTS should have been there in the first place (and I am repeating myself here), THEY are the ones that are responsible. THEY shouldn't bash on the police, they shouldn't have let it happen.

The police shouldn't have cuffed the kid. Even if he was aggressive, he was 10, they are adults. Period.

What exactly is wrong with cuffing him? What is your argument against it? Did it hurt the kid? Does it some how damage him emotionally? Placing some one in cuffs is a measure taken by police to protect both the arresting officers and the person being detained. What if the kid tried something stupid and the officer had to grab him and in the process hurt the kid?

[QBC]

Hey, what I don't get is, Brenda handcuffed me and I didn't ask for an apology...

[Brenda]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

WAS he acting aggressively? Police officers (as well as bouncers, like Derby mentioned) are trained for situations like this, they are taught to negotiate and calm down. You don't approach someone with a deadly weapon so he can kill you. That means, that the kid already got rid of the meatcleaver, right?

No cuffing necessary anymore. A stiff talking to should have done the trick.

How do you know he wasn't? Isn't that the problem here? The parents and the family can go on TV and bash the police all they want but because of the laws regarding minors the police have no chance to explain or defend their actions. Besides, I see nothing wrong with them cuffing the kid, how does it hurt him in any way shape or form? I was cuffed when I was 12 over a nothing deal, its not like I've been scarred for life.

What did you expect them to do, give him lolly pop and a stern talking to and then just leave?

I told you what I expected them to do, wtf do you want?

The PARENTS should have been there in the first place (and I am repeating myself here), THEY are the ones that are responsible. THEY shouldn't bash on the police, they shouldn't have let it happen.

The police shouldn't have cuffed the kid. Even if he was aggressive, he was 10, they are adults. Period.

What exactly is wrong with cuffing him? What is your argument against it? Did it hurt the kid? Does it some how damage him emotionally? Placing some one in cuffs is a measure taken by police to protect both the arresting officers and the person being detained. What if the kid tried something stupid and the officer had to grab him and in the process hurt the kid?

Abuse of power.

If I pull my kids arm on the playground at school, because she (10, btw) is doing something I don't want her to and she doesn't listen, and put it behind her back, someone can call child protection services (or how do you call that here) because that "is not done". Why would you cuff a kid and place it in a police car, and think that is perfectly fine?

[Brenda]

QBC QBC:

Hey, what I don't get is, Brenda handcuffed me and I didn't ask for an apology...

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