[xerxes]

[N_Fiddledog]

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[stratos]

I think what most irritates people when it comes to Greta and those like her, it that they are reaping the benefits of what has come in the last 30-40 years. Computers, social media, cell phones, access to more education, increase in wealth, and on and on. Yet at the same time they are bashing and blaming the same society that gave them all these wonderful things. They come across ungrateful and spoiled with a pinch of self righteousness added in for good measure.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

I think what most irritates people when it comes to Greta and those like her, it that they are reaping the benefits of what has come in the last 30-40 years. Computers, social media, cell phones, access to more education, increase in wealth, and on and on. Yet at the same time they are bashing and blaming the same society that gave them all these wonderful things. They come across ungrateful and spoiled with a pinch of self righteousness added in for good measure.

She might come across like that to people who don't understand the situation; but what she is actually saying is that we know what the stresses our lifestyle puts on the Earth's environment, and we know how to fix it - but we do nothing. And it's way past time to do something, so we should accept responsibility that we did nothing, and all the burden has to fall on her generation.

And that same sentiment of being spoilt and ungrateful was the same one the War generations had for the Boomers, when they were handed a booming economy and safe society that they didn't have to work too hard for. Now we are handing a world that is broken to a generation that will have to work very hard just to not go extinct, because we didn't work too hard to protect them.

[stratos]

Okay so everyone blames the boomers for what ever problem they find. Cool we can take it. Blame away and watch us dig our heels in more to resist any changes. When you have the approach of a petulant child expect that type or reaction from us.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

When you have the approach of a petulant child expect that type or reaction from us.

She's not a petulant child, and treating her like one only furthers the problem. She's a fed up young lady who's done with trying to reason with the people dismissing her as a petulant child. Same with the people attacking her because of her looks, or accent, or the way she dresses, or Autism.

Deal with her facts. I'd like to see people try that for once.

Recall, before her speech at the UN, as the "Designated Speaker" she designated the UN Secretary General as the "Designated Listener". That is not the behavior of a petulant child, it is the behavior of someone with a serious message she wants everyone to listen to starting with the MFWIC.

[stratos]

See already you have fallen into the same mold. I comment pointing out how Greta and those like her come across. First thing in response is basically to blame boomers for how she is. That boomers have to change their approach to her not she has to change. She came across … well nasty and mean the first time I heard her speak and nothing on her end has changed. Yet by God people have to do what she says and listen to her.

You wonder why people are so dismissive of her and her points? The approach immediately has an attack type feel to it. Normal response in cases like that are attack back our shout the person out, in this case just dismiss her and what she is saying.

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Recall, before her speech at the UN, as the "Designated Speaker" she designated the UN Secretary General as the "Designated Listener". That is not the behavior of a petulant child, it is the behavior of someone with a serious message she wants everyone to listen to starting with the MFWIC.

So a child, she still is a child/teen, can designate and dictate to another person what they will be and insist they get their way. Kind of petulant in my book.

[Tricks]

stratos stratos:

She came across … well nasty and mean the first time I heard her speak and nothing on her end has changed.

Wouldn't you if you were addressing people that have been ignoring a problem for the last 40 or 50 years? If you have to repeatedly tell someone at your job that something needs to be fixed, and literal years go by, wouldn't you get frustrated?

$1:

You wonder why people are so dismissive of her and her points? The approach immediately has an attack type feel to it. Normal response in cases like that are attack back our shout the person out, in this case just dismiss her and what she is saying.

Well being nice hasn't worked at all. So what do you propose she do instead? Hand holding gets you ignored, being angry gets you mocked. What now?


Or perhaps it's that you just don't want to listen, so you're finding a reason not to?

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

She came across … well nasty and mean the first time I heard her speak and nothing on her end has changed. Yet by God people have to do what she says and listen to her.

The first thing you might have heard from her was her speech to the UN. And what did she say? "I don't want you to listen to me, I want you to listen to the Scientists". But it is the far from the first thing she has spoken in public. Look to some of her earlier stuff, when she started the movement. She spoke a lot different back then, but she wasn't payed attention to any more than she is now.

stratos stratos:

So a child, she still is a child/teen, can designate and dictate to another person what they will be and insist they get their way. Kind of petulant in my book.

See! You are still treating her as a child. How about if you realize that she's been leading a worldwide movement of millions of young adults for almost a year? How about when those young adults become voters in the next few years? Will you still think of their leader as a child?

Do you think the leader of millions of her peers should be humble and apologetic, or fierce and demanding? Why are other leaders like Boris Johnson or Angela Merkle considered 'normal' for speaking with authority, but she is a petulant child for doing the same thing?

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

So a child, she still is a child/teen, can designate and dictate to another person what they will be and insist they get their way. Kind of petulant in my book.

See! You are still treating her as a child.

Yet the very image that sixteen year old Greta and her handlers want is that of a child and not of a young woman who is carrying out the radical political agenda of her Antifa parents.

Did you think that after all of the millions of Euros spent on this girl that her professional handler mistakenly had her not use makeup, not dress maturely for the UN, and her hair was made in little girl pigtails as an afterthought?

She comes off as a child because that is the image she purposefully presents.

Around 47 million search results describe her as a child or a kid. That was not an accident.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

So a child, she still is a child/teen, can designate and dictate to another person what they will be and insist they get their way. Kind of petulant in my book.

See! You are still treating her as a child.

Around 47 million search results describe her as a child or a kid. That was not an accident.

I don't search people I just met, that's creepy.

I don't judge people by how they look.

I deal with them how they act. She stood up in front of the United Nations, spoke clearly, spoke calmly and eleocuted perfectly.

One thing I hate about speakers is when they say "ahhh" "ohhh" "errr" "ummmm" while they are searching for their outside words. She did not do that, and in her second language.

And sixteen is the age where most people are given more Adult like responsibilities, like driving. Sailing without parents to North America, Europe and back is far outside those bounds.

She is far from being a child.

[Thanos]

But she has the exact same simplistic "this will be easy" worldview that all children have. And she's always going to have that kind of outlook because that's the way she's been raised and indoctrinated. It was easy for her parents to live as greeny hipsters therefore it's as equally easy for everyone else. It's the exact same thing that comes out of any left-wing youth section, a complete void in understanding any of real-world complexities. This doesn't just make her a perpetual child, it also makes her another damn celebrity, living an existence that's totally separate from the reality that exists for billions of others.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"I don't want you to listen to me, I want you to listen to the Scientists".

Which scientists? About what? You mean the guys hoping to sell you on the idea they can accurately predict the end of the world so by prog logic whoever is comfortable in Western society is to blame.

Scientists, you say? Clueless political activists, I say and when that's what they're actually selling there's a lot less of them than the gullibles like that Swedish kid and whoever...would like to believe or more importantly like us to believe. Their consensus of what they're calling "scientists" is a myth.

[stratos]

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One thing I hate about speakers is when they say "ahhh" "ohhh" "errr" "ummmm" while they are searching for their outside words. She did not do that, and in her second language.

Agreed I hate that to. I may be very wrong here but wasn't she reading from notes or something. I hate to use the word script because it implies the wrong message. Let me say reading from a sheet of paper. I personally see nothing wrong with her doing that if she did. It keeps a person from doing exactly what you and I hate. aahhh, ohhh, mmmm.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I don't search people I just met, that's creepy.

She's a public political figure and scrutiny is both warranted and to be expected.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I don't judge people by how they look.

She tries very hard to pass herself off as a child. That's rather unusual for an adolescent who's usually striving to look like and to be accepted as an adult.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

One thing I hate about speakers is when they say "ahhh" "ohhh" "errr" "ummmm" while they are searching for their outside words. She did not do that, and in her second language.

She's autistic and she speaks from a script. Big deal. Obama never stumbled in speech when he read a prepared speech. I don't think there is any video of Thunberg speaking extemporaneously because her handlers won't allow it.

$1:

And sixteen is the age where most people are given more Adult like responsibilities, like driving. Sailing without parents to North America, Europe and back is far outside those bounds.

Her handler was with her as a parent figure the whole way.

$1:

She is far from being a child.

True. And now her feckless parents need to let this mentally ill and recent victim of anorexia and bulemia (diagnosed by Swedish doctors) be a child and not put her through even more stress carrying their political agenda.