[N_Fiddledog]

This line from the end of the CTV article is interesting:

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Ontario outlawed for-profit hospitals in 1973, but exempted existing facilities like the Shouldice.

I still don't see anything hypocritical about Rand Paul using such a private, for-profit exemption.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I don't either, even though I'm registered to vote in Ontario.

California?

Canada.

It was horribly easy to register to vote online and I did so using my address in California.

And I've been a responsible voter since then casting a vote on each ballot that's been mailed to me.

As I recall, it was perhaps On The Ice (one of our past members) who put me up to it.

[bootlegga]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Doesn't change the fact Shouldice is still a private, for-profit service though.

So what?

For profit medical clinics exist all over the country - the difference is the payee for 99% of services is the government, not Kaiser Permanente or Blue Cross.

Only for health care services not covered by the province (massage therapy, chiropractor visits, drug prescriptions, etc.) do people need to use privately purchased insurance.

That's the key difference between universal health care (Canada) and privatized health care (USA). In Canada, the government pays the bill for the vast majority of services, and citizens pay for additional services as they choose. In the US, the government doesn't pay and its up to citizens to acquire insurance to cover those sorts of basic costs, as well as services considered extra in Canada.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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peck420 peck420:

Thanks...so why does one poster keep claiming that it is owned by some large corp?

Sorry, I don't follow Ontario much.

Because they don't bother to fact check.

The same can be said for some of the people who were insisting that Shouldice was not private.

Who said it wasn't private?

[peck420]

FYI:

Shouldice is legally registered as a privately administrated, publicly funded, specialist medical care facility.

Someone more knowledgeable about OHIP would have to tell you how that plays out in Ontario.

I only know specifics on how this factors in Alberta.

[Tricks]

peck420 peck420:

FYI:

Shouldice is legally registered as a privately administrated, publicly funded, specialist medical care facility.

Someone more knowledgeable about OHIP would have to tell you how that plays out in Ontario.

I only know specifics on how this factors in Alberta.

It's owned/operated by a private citizen/company (unsure if the Shouldice family operates as a company) and does surgeries that are covered by ohip. It's specialized to the type of procedure it provides in that it's practically the only one that does. It's technically considered a hospital, which is something else that sets it apart. Normally a private hospital can't be opened, but this one was grandfathered in, so the government doesn't have oversight in running it, but they do provide funding to it.

[peck420]

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It's owned/operated by a private citizen/company (unsure if the Shouldice family operates as a company) and does surgeries that are covered by ohip. It's specialized to the type of procedure it provides in that it's practically the only one that does. It's technically considered a hospital, which is something else that sets it apart. Normally a private hospital can't be opened, but this one was grandfathered in, so the government doesn't have oversight in running it, but they do provide funding to it.

One small discrepancy here. OHIP has absolute oversight. Shouldice is still dependent on OHIP certification for operation. I honestly have to question how "private" any enterprise can be when you must face your largest client, and your oversight...and it is the same group.

To anyone else following along, the registration I pulled was their FEDERAL listing with the CRA, but their status as private or public is determined by their agreements with Ontario, not the Feds.

[N_Fiddledog]

Nobody's offered up Wikipedia yet? That's unusual.

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History
Shouldice was founded in 1945 by Dr. Earle Shouldice.[1][2] While private hospitals are not allowed under Ontario's Private Hospitals Act,[2] Shouldice is one of seven private hospitals in the province grandfathered under the Act.[2] The hospital has been continuously family run from its inception, but is partially publicly funded.[3]

Work
Shouldice hospital is a private hospital that operates in a public health care system.[4] It works solely on hernia repair.[1] It uses a natural tissue, tension free, technique developed during World War II by Dr. Shouldice. Ten full-time surgeons perform over 7500 hemiorrhapies each year.[citation needed]

Everything in the hospital is designed toward hernia repair.[1] Shouldice's rooms do not have telephones or televisions, which it says is to encourage patients to walk around while recovering.[1] The hospital is laid out like a "country club."[5] According to the hospital, it has the lowest rate of complications and recurrences of hernias in the world.[2] The success of its method has been cited to the fact that Shouldice surgeons solely do hernia operations.[6]

Harvard Business School business case
The facility was the subject of a 1983 business case by the Harvard Business School.[1] Written by James Heskett, the report is the school's fourth-best-selling business case, selling over 259,000 copies.[1] The case study focuses on Shouldice's unique three-day hernia repair process.[1] The popularity of the business case is responsible for the hospital's process becoming known outside of Canada.[1]

Trivia
A season one episode of Monk featured the Shouldice grounds in exterior shots.[citation needed]
Shouldice was used as the White House in the movie: Murder at 1600.[citation needed]
A scene from Dawn of the Dead (2004 film) was supposed to be filmed on the grounds in August 2003, but was cancelled because of poor weather conditions and the Northeast Blackout of 2003.[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouldice_Hernia_Centre

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peck420 peck420:

Tricks Tricks:

It's owned/operated by a private citizen/company (unsure if the Shouldice family operates as a company) and does surgeries that are covered by ohip. It's specialized to the type of procedure it provides in that it's practically the only one that does. It's technically considered a hospital, which is something else that sets it apart. Normally a private hospital can't be opened, but this one was grandfathered in, so the government doesn't have oversight in running it, but they do provide funding to it.

One small discrepancy here. OHIP has absolute oversight. Shouldice is still dependent on OHIP certification for operation. I honestly have to question how "private" any enterprise can be when you must face your largest client, and your oversight...and it is the same group.

To anyone else following along, the registration I pulled was their FEDERAL listing with the CRA, but their status as private or public is determined by their agreements with Ontario, not the Feds.

Good point about the certification. They still have to operate within the general rules of OHIP.