[Tricks]

Robair Robair:

Tricks Tricks:

That's kind of the point of living in a society. Sometimes things are fought for that you don't care about. But one day you will care, and at that point those same people that you have no problem throwing under the bus might go "I don't care".

Right on!
I personally have no stake in the dairy industry.

But protecting it from foreign subsidized products benefits Canada. It's too bad we couldn't get this kind of support for the Wheat Board for example.

I have no stake outside of consuming something related to the supply management chain for almost every meal. I found out that supply management isn't only dairy. It also covers poultry and eggs. Fortunately that seemed to have skated under the radar, but if we allow a dismantling of the dairy industry, the poultry industry can be next.

[llama66]

Tricks Tricks:

Robair Robair:

Tricks Tricks:

That's kind of the point of living in a society. Sometimes things are fought for that you don't care about. But one day you will care, and at that point those same people that you have no problem throwing under the bus might go "I don't care".

Right on!
I personally have no stake in the dairy industry.

But protecting it from foreign subsidized products benefits Canada. It's too bad we couldn't get this kind of support for the Wheat Board for example.

I have no stake outside of consuming something related to the supply management chain for almost every meal. I found out that supply management isn't only dairy. It also covers poultry and eggs. Fortunately that seemed to have skated under the radar, but if we allow a dismantling of the dairy industry, the poultry industry can be next.

We're quick to forget, a lot of other Agri rely on our Dairy. We need grains and Corn for feed, Straw for bedding, Trucking for transport. Mechanics to keep the pasteurizers and refrigerators running, Literally whole small towns and cities rely on Dairy and Poultry for employment. We allow these industries to go under and we could see a bit of an economic collapse in Rural Canada. So don't just think of the Dairy Farmer, think about all the people it takes to get the milk from the teet to your table.

[fifeboy]

llama66 llama66:

We're quick to forget, a lot of other Agri rely on our Dairy. We need grains and Corn for feed, Straw for bedding, Trucking for transport. Mechanics to keep the pasteurizers and refrigerators running, Literally whole small towns and cities rely on Dairy and Poultry for employment. We allow these industries to go under and we could see a bit of an economic collapse in Rural Canada. So don't just think of the Dairy Farmer, think about all the people it takes to get the milk from the teet to your table.

I like that:Teet to table...100% Canadian

[Robair]

You hear talk from time to time of wanting to maintain manufacturing ability for strategic reasons.

I would think even more important than that would be to maintain the ability to feed ourselves. Or maintain control over our food supply chain.

[Coach85]

Tricks Tricks:

I don't disagree that it's totally false, but it's still a 3 billion dollar industry that has over 200,000 jobs. And it's a product, why not entirely necessary, is enjoyed by millions of people.

If we're going to go forward with the mindset of removing industries that "aren't needed" from our repertoire, we are going to have to shut down a lot of industries. And our quality of life and our potential enjoyment of it is going to go in the shitter.

Yes, it's still a large industry that's going to change and has changed a lot in my lifetime. The market will dictate it's future just as it's dictated it's past.

In the last 50 years, we've lost 160,000 dairy farms in Canada. We have a mere 10,000 left. Since 1998, our personal consumption of milk has dropped 25%.

I think we're stuck on this idea that dairy is the giant it once was. It's a shadow of it's former self.

[llama66]

Coach85 Coach85:

Tricks Tricks:

I don't disagree that it's totally false, but it's still a 3 billion dollar industry that has over 200,000 jobs. And it's a product, why not entirely necessary, is enjoyed by millions of people.

If we're going to go forward with the mindset of removing industries that "aren't needed" from our repertoire, we are going to have to shut down a lot of industries. And our quality of life and our potential enjoyment of it is going to go in the shitter.

Yes, it's still a large industry that's going to change and has changed a lot in my lifetime. The market will dictate it's future just as it's dictated it's past.

In the last 50 years, we've lost 160,000 dairy farms in Canada. We have a mere 10,000 left. Since 1998, our personal consumption of milk has dropped 25%.

I think we're stuck on this idea that dairy is the giant it once was. It's a shadow of it's former self.

It's what's connected to it, is the real concern.

[martin14]

Robair Robair:

You hear talk from time to time of wanting to maintain manufacturing ability for strategic reasons.

I would think even more important than that would be to maintain the ability to feed ourselves. Or maintain control over our food supply chain.

You can also include water and electricity. And these days, maybe even internet availability.

[llama66]

And the spice,for "he who controls the spice, controls the universe"

[bootlegga]

Tricks Tricks:

Coach85 Coach85:

In all seriousness, it's milk and dairy. I don't care.

This isn't the 50's and 60's where the milk industry is jamming their products down our throats as if it's some health wonder via the Canada Food Guide.

We don't need to drink milk nor will we become malnourished because we're not drinking it.

That's kind of the point of living in a society. Sometimes things are fought for that you don't care about. But one day you will care, and at that point those same people that you have no problem throwing under the bus might go "I don't care".

[Coach85]

llama66 llama66:

It's what's connected to it, is the real concern.

Of course it is...but the market will dictate the future of the industry and those tied to it.

The market has shrunk 93% over the last 50 years despite supply management and heavy marketing.

[Thanos]

When it's over and done it's not the changes to the agreement that will be the sticking points, for the most part. It'll be the way it was handled with all the threats and the thuggery. Trump treated us the same fucking way a pimp treats one of his whores with nothing but abuse and contempt.

I said this before when that asshole first got elected and began blathering on about his stupid idea on trade - we cannot consider the Americans our friends anymore and we would be wise to begin regarding them as a new enemy. They don't look at us any differently now than they do some poor Mexican selling oranges by the side of the road. We just here for them to be used any time they want and any way they want.

[llama66]

Coach85 Coach85:

llama66 llama66:

It's what's connected to it, is the real concern.

Of course it is...but the market will dictate the future of the industry and those tied to it.

The market has shrunk 93% over the last 50 years despite supply management and heavy marketing.

When rural Canada devastated by the collapse of our agriculture there won't be much of a market to dictate

[Coach85]

llama66 llama66:

When rural Canada devastated by the collapse of our agriculture there won't be much of a market to dictate

You can ramp down the rhetoric.

Our agriculture sector is constantly changing and evolving and is far more than dairy that makes up around ~10% of the sector.

Our agriculture sector continues to see growth overall despite the drop in dairy production over the last 50 years.

[llama66]

Lol. And these towns shrink. Don't be so quick to sell our food sovereignty to foreign interests.

[Coach85]

llama66 llama66:

Lol. And these towns shrink. Don't be so quick to sell our food sovereignty to foreign interests.

which towns have shrunk due to the decrease in dairy?

3.5% of 10% of our agriculture sector isn’t selling our food sovereignty. Again with the rhetoric.