[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

Milo's doing the yeoman's work on this atrocity today. Too many accurate observations to comment on individually. "The problem with putting Muslims on top of your victim hierarchy list is that THEY WANT TO KILL EVERYONE ELSE ON THE LIST" stands out though.

https://twitter.com/Nero

Milo speaks the truth, a truth the Left ignores and can only respond by calling him a bigot how ironic.

[Thanos]

herbie herbie:

The guy was an American.
He hated gays.
He had the right to buy weapons for mass killing.
And he killed and wounded over 100 people.

Let's only discuss his religion. Nothing else is worth looking at.

Yet tens of millions of other Americans who possess the exact same firearm possessed enough moral strength to not go gun down fifty people.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

herbie herbie:

The guy was an American.
He hated gays.
He had the right to buy weapons for mass killing.
And he killed and wounded over 100 people.

Let's only discuss his religion. Nothing else is worth looking at.

Well if you don't bring up his religion, he's just another American mass killer - they get one a day of those. Not remarkable, who cares. But if he's Muslim, then you've really got something to foam about. Because Islam.

Yup calls, 911 and pledges allegiance to ISIS, father is an advocate for the Taliban, hung around with a terrorist bomber, was on the FBI watch list for making terrorist threats, is a Muslim and we should just focus on the fact that he's an American who bought a gun and became the greatest mass shooter in US history.

Okay, I'll agree then. There's no connection to his religion anywhere in those actions.

[llama66]

Reason 900 why I hate religion

[N_Fiddledog]

herbie herbie:

The guy was an American.
He hated gays.
He had the right to buy weapons for mass killing.
And he killed and wounded over 100 people.

Let's only discuss his religion. Nothing else is worth looking at.

He was a jihadi.
He had a concealed carry permit. He was an armed security guard by profession.
The night club was a gun-free zone.

[Khar]

BRAH BRAH:

LGBTQ's in the Middle East live in hiding with targets on their backs with the fear of being persecuted for who they are while the Left continues to live in denial. Where's their outrage when ISIS throws gay men off buildings? No where, not one word because it's not in their back yard and that's the truth.

The same place it was the last time someone on the forum tried the "gays/the Left never speak up" line on this forum; on the flags GLBT people covered in dildos, on the marches and protests, from the condemnations of the various left-leaning NGOs like Amnesty International or the UCLA, on universal demands that something be done of our governments (which our governments began to do -- remember global outrage at Russia, Uganda and others?). I even linked it because I knew that this exact same line was going to come up again, and that's why it was the very first link in my first post in this thread. It even includes a few sourced threads you yourself engaged in, where prominent left-leaning figures not only spoke out, but even did extreme versions of speaking out like menstruating all over an ISIS flag.

My answer to this was linked right in my post, and your only response is to repeat it. It's not the truth, and not anywhere near close to being called truthful, and it's this exact extreme mischaracterization of the "other side" that has lead to such extreme polarization of politics in the modern era. I'm right here, and I'm not made of straw. It'd be nice if you could actually respond.

[BRAH]

herbie herbie:

The guy was an American.
He hated gays.
He had the right to buy weapons for mass killing.
And he killed and wounded over 100 people.

Let's only discuss his religion. Nothing else is worth looking at.

Let's discuss how he was under the FBI's radar interviewed two times and still allowed to legally obtain and keep his weapons. The FBI dropped the ball.......again.

[BRAH]

Khar Khar:

BRAH BRAH:

LGBTQ's in the Middle East live in hiding with targets on their backs with the fear of being persecuted for who they are while the Left continues to live in denial. Where's their outrage when ISIS throws gay men off buildings? No where, not one word because it's not in their back yard and that's the truth.

The same place it was the last time someone on the forum tried the "gays/the Left never speak up" line on this forum; on the flags GLBT people covered in dildos, on the marches and protests, from the condemnations of the various left-leaning NGOs like Amnesty International or the UCLA, on universal demands that something be done of our governments (which our governments began to do -- remember global outrage at Russia, Uganda and others?). I even linked it because I knew that this exact same line was going to come up again, and that's why it was the very first link in my first post in this thread. It even includes a few sourced threads you yourself engaged in, where prominent left-leaning figures not only spoke out, but even did extreme versions of speaking out like menstruating all over an ISIS flag.

My answer to this was linked right in my post, and your only response is to repeat it. It's not the truth, and not anywhere near close to being called truthful, and it's this exact extreme mischaracterization of the "other side" that has lead to such extreme polarization of politics in the modern era. I'm right here, and I'm not made of straw. It'd be nice if you could actually respond.

The Left ignores ISIS throwing gay men off buildings because they don't want to offend Islam and that's the truth, like it or not. As for Russia and their treatment of the LGBTQ community and if political leaders really wanted to condemn Russia they would have been calling for a boycott of the Sochi games and preventing athletes from attending.

But this isn't about Russia it's about a Radical Islamic Terrorist Attack against the LGBTQ community.

[martin14]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Obviously, the peaceful Muslim,

fifeboy fifeboy:

but do not attack those Muslims who live amongst us who are just living ordinary lives.

You mean these ones ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dogan.html

$1:

Yeni Akit is a right-wing Turkish paper which has supported Al-Qaeda

It is known for its hate speech against LGBT groups, Jews and Christians

Also has strong ties with President Erdogan and his party, the AKP

Broke news of Orlando attack with headline: 'Death toll rises to 50 in bar where perverted homosexuals go!'

$1:

A Turkish newspaper with links to the country's President has published a homophobic headline calling those who died in the Orlando mass shooting 'perverts' and 'deviants'.

The 'peaceful' ones, our strong NATO partner and future EU member.

I guess the Pakistanis will declare a national holiday over the action.

[Khar]

BRAH BRAH:

Khar Khar:

BRAH BRAH:

LGBTQ's in the Middle East live in hiding with targets on their backs with the fear of being persecuted for who they are while the Left continues to live in denial. Where's their outrage when ISIS throws gay men off buildings? No where, not one word because it's not in their back yard and that's the truth.

The same place it was the last time someone on the forum tried the "gays/the Left never speak up" line on this forum; on the flags GLBT people covered in dildos, on the marches and protests, from the condemnations of the various left-leaning NGOs like Amnesty International or the UCLA, on universal demands that something be done of our governments (which our governments began to do -- remember global outrage at Russia, Uganda and others?). I even linked it because I knew that this exact same line was going to come up again, and that's why it was the very first link in my first post in this thread. It even includes a few sourced threads you yourself engaged in, where prominent left-leaning figures not only spoke out, but even did extreme versions of speaking out like menstruating all over an ISIS flag.

My answer to this was linked right in my post, and your only response is to repeat it. It's not the truth, and not anywhere near close to being called truthful, and it's this exact extreme mischaracterization of the "other side" that has lead to such extreme polarization of politics in the modern era. I'm right here, and I'm not made of straw. It'd be nice if you could actually respond.

The Left ignores ISIS throwing gay men off buildings because they don't want to offend Islam and that's the truth, like it or not. As for Russia and their treatment of the LGBTQ community of they really wanted to condemn Russia political leaders would have been grandstanding for the cameras calling for a boycott of the Sochi games but they didn't.

Still no change in your response? Got all those examples of situations where the Left protests actions by ISIS and the GLBT protests ISIS and your only response is to say the opposite and declare it the truth?

We'll just ignore how pressure from the international community forced the Uganda government to back off on it's stringent anti-gay bills, and we'll ignore how much effort went into changing the Russian stance, if only so we can avoid the fact that what you said isn't true. In fact, as a member of the GLBT community, and as someone no doubt to the Left of you, not only have I condemned ISIS on this very forum, but also supported Israel in their most recent war against the Palestinians.

How do you explain me, if the Left never does this, or if gays never do this? Do I not exist? Am I not here? Hello?

martin14 martin14:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Obviously, the peaceful Muslim,

fifeboy fifeboy:

but do not attack those Muslims who live amongst us who are just living ordinary lives.

You mean these ones ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dogan.html

$1:

Yeni Akit is a right-wing Turkish paper which has supported Al-Qaeda

It is known for its hate speech against LGBT groups, Jews and Christians

Also has strong ties with President Erdogan and his party, the AKP

Broke news of Orlando attack with headline: 'Death toll rises to 50 in bar where perverted homosexuals go!'

$1:

A Turkish newspaper with links to the country's President has published a homophobic headline calling those who died in the Orlando mass shooting 'perverts' and 'deviants'.

The 'peaceful' ones, our strong NATO partner and future EU member.

I guess the Pakistanis will declare a national holiday over the action.

Or, you know, mayors of our cities, like Naheed Nenshi, or Rahim Jaffer, Wajid Khan, or Larry Shaben, all conservative MPs or MLAs, or Tarek Fatah, a prominent Canadian Muslim reformer. Or the 13 English MPs who are Muslim, most of them women?

I've got two gay friends who are Muslim. Neither of them are planning on joining ISIS any time soon.

Why is it that these people never get included in the "people who live among us" category? None of them are marching off to support extremism, and they all embrace the values of rights and freedoms of the country. Why are they not on the list? Why do you assume Fifeboy doesn't mean those ones, who better represent the majority that live in Canada or the USA?

[BRAH]

The only nauseum is coming from you and when the Left is mentioned it doesn't mean it's about you and that's narcissistic to assume that.

[Thanos]

BRAH BRAH:

Khar Khar:

BRAH BRAH:

LGBTQ's in the Middle East live in hiding with targets on their backs with the fear of being persecuted for who they are while the Left continues to live in denial. Where's their outrage when ISIS throws gay men off buildings? No where, not one word because it's not in their back yard and that's the truth.

The same place it was the last time someone on the forum tried the "gays/the Left never speak up" line on this forum; on the flags GLBT people covered in dildos, on the marches and protests, from the condemnations of the various left-leaning NGOs like Amnesty International or the UCLA, on universal demands that something be done of our governments (which our governments began to do -- remember global outrage at Russia, Uganda and others?). I even linked it because I knew that this exact same line was going to come up again, and that's why it was the very first link in my first post in this thread. It even includes a few sourced threads you yourself engaged in, where prominent left-leaning figures not only spoke out, but even did extreme versions of speaking out like menstruating all over an ISIS flag.

My answer to this was linked right in my post, and your only response is to repeat it. It's not the truth, and not anywhere near close to being called truthful, and it's this exact extreme mischaracterization of the "other side" that has lead to such extreme polarization of politics in the modern era. I'm right here, and I'm not made of straw. It'd be nice if you could actually respond.

The Left ignores ISIS throwing gay men off buildings because they don't want to offend Islam and that's the truth, like it or not. As for Russia and their treatment of the LGBTQ community if the Left and even the Right really wanted to condemn Russia political leaders would have been grandstanding for the cameras calling for a boycott of the Sochi games and preventing athletes from attending as they have the power to do that but they didn't.

But this isn't about them it's about a Radical Islamic Terrorist Attack against the LGBTQ community.

Interesting point on Sochi. The trendy left among the pop bands made a big deal out of boycotting North Carolina over the transgendered washroom issue when the state said no way, that male rooms were for males and female rooms were for females, period. Do you think any of them would ever boycott Russia and refuse to do concerts there, even though there's a massive and very violent anti-gay sentiment that both the Russian government and the Orthodox church stoke up on purpose? How many of them are willing to still play in South Africa, in order to make some green out of that post-Mandela vibe, even though the current South African PM (and the whole damn ANC party) says that gays are less than dogs and deserve everything inflicted on them? Will any of them do the same thing if they're playing in any Muslim cities, even though the same sentiment in those places is even worse than in Russia?

Doubtful. North Carolina, just like the random Christian baker here and there, is an easy target for litigation. Russia though? Nope. Hands off on South Africa too. And can't criticize the Muslims either, apparently, no matter how many of their views are stuck in the dark ages.

[Khar]

BRAH BRAH:

The only nauseum is coming from you and when the Left is mentioned it doesn't mean it's all about you and that's narcissistic to assume that.

So who does the Left mean then? If it's not a movement, if it's not the individuals, and if it's not the media who has been responding or the politicians who have been responding or the slew of others who have responded, then who exactly is the Left? Where exactly is this goal post I have to meet?

You can't explain me away. You also, apparently, can't explain the examples I provided away, given you haven't changed your response. You also can't explain away the posters I would personally consider left-leaning or closer to the left on this forum either (and I do apologize to the people I'm about to ascribe a political slant to, my apologies); Xerxes, Beaverfever, Fifeboy, and others on this site have all condemned fundamentalist violence, and have all condemned violence against the GLBT community repeatedly.

It's funny, because I only used myself as an example after the third time you posted the same thing, and I didn't even claim to be part of the left, only that I was closer to it than you were. Some narcissism on my part, thanks for the personal attack.

[martin14]

Khar Khar:

Why is it that these people never get included in the "people who live among us" category? None of them are marching off to support extremism, and they all embrace the values of rights and freedoms of the country. Why are they not on the list? Why do you assume Fifeboy doesn't mean those ones, who better represent the majority that live in Canada or the USA?

Aside from the fact that your statements are complete bullshit, because there are lots of Western jihadis running around;
and your selective stupidity trying to limit things to North America, while 1.5 million Turks are about to get visa free access to the EU, and I am sure some of them read that paper I quoted;

the simple fact is the 'peaceful majority' is another liberal lie, and is anyway irrelevant.

Khar Khar:

Xerxes, Beaverfever, Fifeboy, and others on this site have all condemned fundamentalist violence, and have all condemned violence against the GLBT community repeatedly.

None of them have done so in this thread.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

BRAH BRAH:

The Left ignores ISIS throwing gay men off buildings because they don't want to offend Islam and that's the truth, like it or not. As for Russia and their treatment of the LGBTQ community and if political leaders really wanted to condemn Russia they would have been calling for a boycott of the Sochi games and preventing athletes from attending.

But this isn't about Russia it's about a Radical Islamic Terrorist Attack against the LGBTQ community.

Interesting point on Sochi. The trendy left among the pop bands made a big deal out of boycotting North Carolina over the transgendered washroom issue when the state said no way, that male rooms were for males and female rooms were for females, period. Do you think any of them would ever boycott Russia and refuse to do concerts there, even though there's a massive and very violent anti-gay sentiment that both the Russian government and the Orthodox church stoke up on purpose? How many of them are willing to still play in South Africa, in order to make some green out of that post-Mandela vibe, even though the current South African PM (and the whole damn ANC party) says that gays are less than dogs and deserve everything inflicted on them? Will any of them do the same thing if they're playing in any Muslim cities, even though the same sentiment in those places is even worse than in Russia?

Doubtful. North Carolina, just like the random Christian baker here and there, is an easy target for litigation. Russia though? Nope. Hands off on South Africa too. And can't criticize the Muslims either, apparently, no matter how many of their views are stuck in the dark ages.

It comes down to protecting those lucrative contracts while it's easier to boycott North Carolina helping the Christians are evil agenda. Let's not forget Hollywood's long list of celebrities who for the right price will perform for a country that has shameful record against LGBTQ's and when they're caught it's always the Chewbacca defense of "I didn't know".